run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

[DetroitStyle]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I would really like to find an alternative playbook to the "run balanced" generic. I've played a few games against teams using that playbook and while the playcalling is ok it just seems to have a lot of busted plays. The selection of plays just seems predictable and the mechanics of the plays are weak. However, it doesn't have the issue of the regular coaches playbooks with run, run, pass, punt, repeat so the play calling does vary.

I'm liking what I'm reading about Billick but do you think it's a run balanced playbook or more of just a balanced one?

[BrianU]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I would really like to find an alternative playbook to the "run balanced" generic. I've played a few games against teams using that playbook and while the playcalling is ok it just seems to have a lot of busted plays. The selection of plays just seems predictable and the mechanics of the plays are weak. However, it doesn't have the issue of the regular coaches playbooks with run, run, pass, punt, repeat so the play calling does vary.

I'm liking what I'm reading about Billick but do you think it's a run balanced playbook or more of just a balanced one?

Agreed! I have been playing vs the Bills a ton since they are the week 1 matchup for the Jets and i have been testing sliders and such and every time I see Fred Jackson pass out of the wildcat I shiver. But I do agree its better than the default bills playbook run/pass ratio wise. Not so much the ratio but the fact that the generic playbooks are less preditcible in certain situations such as passing out of a 2 RB formation whereas in the default coach playbooks its a 99% run. thats the biggest thing that is improved to me making generics worthwhile.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I would really like to find an alternative playbook to the "run balanced" generic. I'm liking what I'm reading about Billick but do you think it's a run balanced playbook or more of just a balanced one?

Billick in the hands of the Ravens was almost a run and shoot!



Teams seem to play differently out of the same book, so it's going to be heard to say until we play...

I bet that a "run heavy" team like SEA would run more out of the Balanced book than a team like CIN would...

I think the play selection has a "personnel component", in that it tires to get the ball to the OVR guys...

It also takes the opponent into account, as I noticed when my secondary went to about a 65 OVR...

Pass / Pass / Pass to exploit...

In some ways, the game is smarter than we give it credit for...which makes sense in light of how rare that is!

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

2-1 after losing to the Bengals 41-38 in OT(2nd OT gm in 3gms)! They had Billick's PB for O and Multiple D, and did really good at putting together 1st dwns and keeping my defense on its toes.
I gave up 337 total offensive yds and they had just over 300yds passing w/ Dalton(3tds 1int).

I struggled offensively throughout most of the game. RGIII had his lowest rating of the season w/ 77 Qb rating, 2tds 2ints(one was taken back for 6), and he also fumbled the ball 2xs. The 2nd fumble cost us the game. I was scrambling up the middle of the field, instead of sliding, I went for extra yards and was blind sided and the ball flew out! They recover on my 30, and get a FG in OT. We both had 3 or 4 possessions in OT and it came down to a scramble fumble.

2-1 overall now
1 - 1 in OT hahhaa


Note:
I tested D. Vermeils PB and it has some good passing plays, screens, PA's, but I feel the Redskins PB suits them the best.
I'm going back to my Redskins PB, it has some good Shotgun Option plays that are unique, which allows RGIII to do more damage on the ground.

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I would really like to find an alternative playbook to the "run balanced" generic. I've played a few games against teams using that playbook and while the playcalling is ok it just seems to have a lot of busted plays. The selection of plays just seems predictable and the mechanics of the plays are weak. However, it doesn't have the issue of the regular coaches playbooks with run, run, pass, punt, repeat so the play calling does vary.

I'm liking what I'm reading about Billick but do you think it's a run balanced playbook or more of just a balanced one?

I just played the Bengals and gave them Billicks PB.
Run/Pass was 32/44, they had alot of plays, and it went deep into OT. They tried to run but I was stopping them, holding BJGE to a 1.5avg, he had 30att for 44yds.

Its a more conservative offense, closer to a run balanced PB imo. They were trying to setup the pass w/ the run 1st. When they did pass on 1st down, it was usually a short pattern.

QB
A. Dalton 95.3 rating, 305yds, 3tds 1int.
AVG. 6.9 and 61%

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Billick in the hands of the Ravens was almost a run and shoot!

Which is funny because he ran the Ravens as pretty much the complete opposite of a Run and Shoot team!

[DJ]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Sorry for these questions, but trying to figure out what exactly I'm looking at ...

Rudy, in the link you provided, am I using the first column or second in terms of changing the CPU playbooks?

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Which is funny because he ran the Ravens as pretty much the complete opposite of a Run and Shoot team!

Yeah, this was way more like those 90's MIN teams he was OC for...

[DetroitStyle]

Sorry for these questions, but trying to figure out what exactly I'm looking at ...

Rudy, in the link you provided, am I using the first column or second in terms of changing the CPU playbooks?

Either one. It's two different interpretations. The first column is what the OP and community came up with in terms of matching real life tendencies. The second column is my suggestion going off each teams default scheme in game. Whichever "set" you use is up to you but either one will be an upgrade to what you get with default team playbooks.

[vicaddict]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I think I like what I hear about the Billick PB and I will use it for my Browns. I tested it and the Vermeil PB and I like Billick more, but what scheme would be the best to describe it? Power Run? Balanced? Zone Run? Doesn't seem to matter, but I'd like to use the scheme thing, even though it has no real purpose. Just gives me a better feeling and prevents me from drafting all the good guys, no matter if they fit in or not.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I think I like what I hear about the Billick PB and I will use it for my Browns. I tested it and the Vermeil PB and I like Billick more, but what scheme would be the best to describe it? Power Run? Balanced? Zone Run? Doesn't seem to matter, but I'd like to use the scheme thing, even though it has no real purpose. Just gives me a better feeling and prevents me from drafting all the good guys, no matter if they fit in or not.

If it is based on the 90's Vikings (which I think it is based on how BAL used it against me), I'd call it a spread...

They used lots of three wide...

Since Dennis Green was the HC, that also makes Billick part of the Walsh coaching tree, so you could prob make a case for west coast as well...

Those two (spread / west coast) seem to be regarded as same / similar / interchangeable in Madden's scheme system...

I also think that it would make a good book to use as an alternative to the run and gun (spread) for the purposed of this thread...

If you want to see the Bills go wide / air raid WITHOUT having Fred Jackson throw a couple wildcat passes, this might be the ticket...

I also think (based on what I faced) that it would make NE / GB / NO pretty deadly as well...

Lastly, I think it would make a really fun / interesting choice for the Browns...

I like using Vermeil, but since I'm going to play multiple seasons, I will mos def switch to Billick at some point, to change it up...

[booker21]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I would really like to find an alternative playbook to the "run balanced" generic. I've played a few games against teams using that playbook and while the playcalling is ok it just seems to have a lot of busted plays. The selection of plays just seems predictable and the mechanics of the plays are weak. However, it doesn't have the issue of the regular coaches playbooks with run, run, pass, punt, repeat so the play calling does vary.

I'm liking what I'm reading about Billick but do you think it's a run balanced playbook or more of just a balanced one?

Same here, overall is ok, but i can`t stand seeing their RB attempting a pass. Besides this Run Balance will be used a lot.

[vicaddict]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Lastly, I think it would make a really fun / interesting choice for the Browns...

Not just fun. I just blew the Eagles and the Bengals starting McCoy. TRich ran for more than 250 yards, McCoy threw for 4 TDs, 1 INT and more than 500 yards...

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Same here, overall is ok, but i can`t stand seeing their RB attempting a pass. Besides this Run Balance will be used a lot.

I'm thinking the run heavy teams might be well served to stick with their team specific book in many / most instances as well as the two clubs with QB runs / options (WSH / CAR)...

Thoughts?

Not just fun. I just blew the Eagles and the Bengals starting McCoy. TRich ran for more than 250 yards, McCoy threw for 4 TDs, 1 INT and more than 500 yards...

Yeah, this offence seems to agree with the Browns roster / scheme...much better than their default west coast...

Are you using Shurmer or a created guy or what?

I'm using a created spread / "strategist" with the Vermeil Book set to 52 pass / 48 run / 52 aggressive / 48 conservative...

I think those coach elements also influence gameplay/ results...

HC prestige is also a factor...

My team is F- (yes, F MINUS), so I get a lot of drive killing holds / turnovers in critical situations and the "breaks" always fall to the opponent...

I noticed in previous CCMs, when I win a few and get to a straight "F", those factors minimize slightly...

I imagine as you move up the letter grades, it has a very noticeable / positive effect...

[BrianU]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I tried a game vs the Bills giving them Billicks playbook and it didnt turn out very well. Fitzpatrick threw 2 INTs on his first 3 throws but its not just that its how he threw them, short lob passes into double coverage. It was an early look but I never saw that happen when they used Run Balanced. Something to keep an eye on Ill try it again and see how it plays. Using MarketingWiz sliders for both playbooks