run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I didn't change anything. I should have taken a peek at what playbook he was running before the game started but I didn't. I checked out the coach though and his scheme was Balanced so I'm guessing they were using the Balanced playbook. They were up pretty much the whole game and still threw it 39 times compared to 29 runs.

Interesting!

Thanks!

I wouldn't be surprised if they were still using the Jets default book, and the "balanced" HC brought out a different play selection from it...

I'd be curious to know if that was the exact circumstance though...

In past Madden's the books carried over, even when the HC got the boot...

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Interesting!

Thanks!

I wouldn't be surprised if they were still using the Jets default book, and the "balanced" HC brought out a different play selection from it...

I'd be curious to know if that was the exact circumstance though...

In past Madden's the books carried over, even when the HC got the boot...

That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that.

I've got three games left in my current season so I'll have to check to see if any of the teams have new coaches. Or maybe I'll try retiring with my coach and taking over either the Jets or the team playing the Jets to check.

I'd been under the impression that it was similar to last gen where when a coach changed teams he took his playbook with him and the team would adopt the new coaches playbook. I think I remember hearing it pre-release too but I'm not quite sure. I'll take a look.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Interesting!

Thanks!

I wouldn't be surprised if they were still using the Jets default book, and the "balanced" HC brought out a different play selection from it...

I'd be curious to know if that was the exact circumstance though...

In past Madden's the books carried over, even when the HC got the boot...

Alright. I just went and checked. I took over the Jets coach, went to start a game and checked to see what playbooks they were running and they were using the Dallas offensive playbook. They were playing the Chargers, so I took them over as well just to see if it would be the same and indeed it was.

I'm not really sure what to make of it. It was mentioned earlier in here that Dallas has one of the few playbooks that has more than one star for pass plays on first and second down so I'm not sure how that may have factored into it.

I don't think there is a way to look at a coaches gameplan in CCM like there is at the main menu, is there?

Ok so I went back through each O-playbook for each team..and I think we all agree main issue is 1st and 2nd down..so the below playbooks have pass plays with more then one star on 1st and 2nd down..now it's not as good as saw "balance playbook or even run heavy" but I'm going to test one and see how bad they are..at least it may give us more options..all the other play books are a "mess" on 1st and 2nd down..or at least in my eyes..

ARI, BAL,CHI, DAL, GB, NO, NYJ, SF, DET

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'd been under the impression that it was similar to last gen where when a coach changed teams he took his playbook with him and the team would adopt the new coaches playbook. I think I remember hearing it pre-release too but I'm not quite sure. I'll take a look.

I'm pretty sure that if he was an existing coach with a new team, he'd bring his book with him to the new team, but if he's a " brand new" guy the previous HC book carries over...

Did the replacement for Ryan come from another NFL team or was he a fictional guy?

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'm pretty sure that if he was an existing coach with a new team, he'd bring his book with him to the new team, but if he's a " brand new" guy the previous HC book carries over...

Did the replacement for Ryan come from another NFL team or was he a fictional guy?

He was fictional. He was running the Dallas offense along with Jacksonville's defense.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I don't think there is a way to look at a coaches gameplan in CCM like there is at the main menu, is there?

When you go to More / Scheme you'll see your scheme menu and then you can toggle either L2 or R2 (can't remember exactly / PS3) and it'll go through all the teams scheme menu, so it should be (???) accurate there...

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

When you go to More / Scheme you'll see your scheme menu and then you can toggle either L2 or R2 (can't remember exactly / PS3) and it'll go through all the teams scheme menu, so it should be (???) accurate there...

I'm looking more so for the gameplan page they have outside of CCM that has the starred plays and whatnot just to see if there might be any differences. Unfortunately, they don't have that in CCM so there's no way to really tell.

[SJHalt621]

I don't know if this has been posted..doesn't help with gameplan but at least u can see what kind of plays are called and used by legend's coaches

https://www.primamadden.com/madden13plays/Bill%20Walsh

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'm looking more so for the gameplan page they have outside of CCM that has the starred plays and whatnot just to see if there might be any differences. Unfortunately, they don't have that in CCM so there's no way to really tell.

I think you can only see that if you go into "edit playbook" right?

I don't know if this has been posted..doesn't help with gameplan but at least u can see what kind of plays are called and used by legend's coaches

https://www.primamadden.com/madden13plays/Bill%20Walsh

Yeah, those books are worth going through...that's how I found out Gibbs and Walsh don't have Gun forms, etc...

Good link!

[DetroitStyle]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Gave the Rams Billick's playbook and they seemed pretty balanced. 50/50 run versus the pass. So you might want to consider that playbook for balanced teams rather than run heavy teams.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I don't know if this has been posted..doesn't help with gameplan but at least u can see what kind of plays are called and used by legend's coaches

https://www.primamadden.com/madden13plays/Bill%20Walsh

It wouldn't be too hard to figure out the gameplan for these given that each situation only has 20 plays max.

I'm starting to think that's a big issue with the way teams play too. Obviously, the star priority would make things a lot better but I would be interested to see how many plays in teams playbooks are wasted and never even have a chance at being used.

[SJHalt621]

Yeah I don't understand why there isn't more plays in a game plan..I completely agree with that!

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Well, I'm FINALLY back on the console, re started my Browns CCM (offline this time) and played a half of the PHI game as a slider test...

WOW!

Gave them the RNG and they played much more like they're known to...

Instead of sending McCoy into the A gap 15 times (like they did with their default book), they ran a VERY varied "spread" attack...

I knew this would work, based on the results in this thread, but boy is it a pleasure to experience it firsthand...

Thanks guys!

[rudyjuly2]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Yeah I don't understand why there isn't more plays in a game plan..I completely agree with that!

The truth is that real NFL gameplans are actually a lot more limited than we realize. There are maybe 40 plays in a game plan (with different formations for each play that could technically push that a lot higher). I was surprised by that when reading Pat Kirwan's book "Take Your Eye of the Ball". But those game plans change a lot from week to week as well. And half time adjustments include adding about 3 plays to the second half game plan that weren't practiced that week but are expected to remember. Plays that worked poorly in the first half are cut out and good plays are used more often. I don't see the cpu adjusting their game plans much at all.

Frozen cpu game plans by EA just aren't a good idea for a video game. They have to change based on the team they are playing and to provide different looks. Heck, even Ask Madden stinks compared to NCAA's version which provided a bunch of plays and not just 2-3.

[SJHalt621]

The truth is that real NFL gameplans are actually a lot more limited than we realize. There are maybe 40 plays in a game plan (with different formations for each play that could technically push that a lot higher). I was surprised by that when reading Pat Kirwan's book "Take Your Eye of the Ball". But those game plans change a lot from week to week as well. And half time adjustments include adding about 3 plays to the second half game plan that weren't practiced that week but are expected to remember. Plays that worked poorly in the first half are cut out and good plays are used more often. I don't see the cpu adjusting their game plans much at all.

Frozen cpu game plans by EA just aren't a good idea for a video game. They have to change based on the team they are playing and to provide different looks. Heck, even Ask Madden stinks compared to NCAA's version which provided a bunch of plays and not just 2-3.

I agree and understand that not all the plays are used....I guess I meant just a variation in formations...it just seems like more could be done with the tools they have..I don't know it just seems like they have the tools in place to make what they have to be good or very good..and different but didnt do it..