Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

[msdm27]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

This has been explained!!!! Position preferences are already hard coded to a coaches playbook. Bill Walsh ran a west coast scheme for years with the 49ers so let me just use him as example. Just because I go in and change the scheme preference to Long passing (West coast offense is a short throw scheme with quick timing reads) and my quarterback to big arm preference it will not make someone who has low awareness and bad short arm accuracy a good fit for the scheme I.E. the playbook does not fit the scheme or the player preferences I am choosing. Now If I fire Bill Walsh and bring in Don Coryel, then this change is going to make my big arm quarterback and downfield threats go up exponentially because the playbook fits the scheme I am running.

Therefore If I am running a 3-4 attack but I only have speed rushing 4-3 ends, I cant just go in and change my Devensive end preference to 4-3 speed rush to gain an overall boost. Its a system that is in place to make good personel decisions actually matter.

So there is no way to change a coach's position preferences at any point in CFM?

Sorry, don't have the game yet so some clarification'd be nice

[Caliboy626]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

Has this been tested? Or is this a hypothesis?

If true then this makes that scheme selection menu completely pointless and that should be removed from the game.

No it is not pointless. If your coaches playbook requires a west coast scheme why would changing your quarterback preference to big arm just to get a ratings boost make any sense at all??? If its a west coast playbook then it requires a west coast quarterback.

However I am doing a test franchise with the buccaneers right now and Greg Schiano's default scheme for his playbook is a west coast scheme. Everyone knows that the buccaneers run a power run scheme so I changed it to power run. Even if I switch my HB preference to One cut, or power back I still see no change to Peyton Hillis or Doug Martins overall. All of my offensive line are run block player types and I have not seen an adjustment in skill for them as well.

I get why the scheme overalls work but this may need to be patched.

[Caliboy626]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

So there is no way to change a coach's position preferences at any point in CFM?

Sorry, don't have the game yet so some clarification'd be nice

No there is. Under schemes in team management. What people are noticing is that even if they switch to a coaching scheme that fits there players they are not seeing a ratings adjustment in correlation to that move.

[slipknottin]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

No it is not pointless. If your coaches playbook requires a west coast scheme why would changing your quarterback preference to big arm just to get a ratings boost make any sense at all??? If its a west coast playbook then it requires a west coast quarterback.

If switching the preferences has no effect then why is there an option to switch the preferences.

Either give it an effect or remove that option.

[slipknottin]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

No there is. Under schemes in team management. What people are noticing is that even if they switch to a coaching scheme that fits there players they are not seeing a ratings adjustment in correlation to that move.

So then no, there is no way to switch the preferences in a meaningful way.

[Caliboy626]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

When I originally started up my CFM, it had our defensive scheme set as a base 4-3. So even if I change my base set to a 3-4 the overalls are going to be determined by a 4-3 defense???

It would appear that way for the default coaches I.E. none of the computer generated coaches (Harbaugh, McCarthy, Johnson etc.) Its like years past before CCM. I remember changing coaches defensive schemes in franchise to 3-4 in coach management, but there default playbook was still a 4-3 playbook from the year prior. I had to pick another teams defensive playbook before every game to have it implement my philosophy change. I think the scheme preferences may be tied into a coaches playbook and default philosophies more than anything.

So in essences, yes you MAY not (I cannot confirm for sure without some more testing, but it certainly seems that way)be able to change your scheme to fit your personnel. It might be more effective to hire a new coach who fits your philosophy.

[frankstallone83]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

If you are still in the preseason it has to do with all the scrubs that are on your team. Cut them and it will raise,

Actually I believe the team ratings in play now and ccm are calculated differently. In ccm it's based on the player ratings whereas in play now it's basically just arbitrary numbers made up by EA.

The reason they do this is b/c the teams, as you can see in ccm, are actually much closer in talent than the play now ratings would lead you to believe; that's why every team in ccm is usually between 78 and 86. But the developers want play now players to have a better grasp on the team disparity so they just give the elite teams a 90 and the worst teams low 70s so that you clearly know who is better.

[frankstallone83]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

They should just have a rating called "current scheme" that has a plus or minus with a number.

Current scheme:
0 (for team/scheme that drafted player)
-2 or +1 (for example) if you change default scheme or player gets traded to another team/scheme, and have that reflected in gameplay but just leave the rest of the ratings alone.

This is the perfect solution. Simple, easy to understand, saves time and everybody wins. Which of course is why it will never happen.

[brettmickey]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

It would appear that way for the default coaches I.E. none of the computer generated coaches (Harbaugh, McCarthy, Johnson etc.) Its like years past before CCM. I remember changing coaches defensive schemes in franchise to 3-4 in coach management, but there default playbook was still a 4-3 playbook from the year prior. I had to pick another teams defensive playbook before every game to have it implement my philosophy change. I think the scheme preferences may be tied into a coaches playbook and default philosophies more than anything.

So in essences, yes you MAY not (I cannot confirm for sure without some more testing, but it certainly seems that way)be able to change your scheme to fit your personnel. It might be more effective to hire a new coach who fits your philosophy.

That is very disappointing considering Buffalo isn't running a base 4-3 this year. Mike Pettine (ex-Jets DC) is bringing his hybrid multiple front defense to Buffalo. So since Josh Looman (CFM designer) screwed up our base defense I have to deal with incorrect scheme overalls? Very disappointed. I hope this can be changed in an update. Hopefully I can contact him through Twitter and hopefully he sees my post and adjusts accordingly. Thank you caliboy for helping me figure out this dilemma I was in!

[slipknottin]

Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

That is very disappointing considering Buffalo isn't running a base 4-3 this year. Mike Pettine (ex-Jets DC) is bringing his hybrid multiple front defense to Buffalo. So since Josh Looman (CFM designer) screwed up our base defense I have to deal with incorrect scheme overalls? Very disappointed. I hope this can be changed in an update. Hopefully I can contact him through Twitter and hopefully he sees my post and adjusts accordingly. Thank you caliboy for helping me figure out this dilemma I was in!

Could you just run a test? Create a new ccm with a coach. Create a coach that has a 3-4 base preference, and see what the ratings are? Then we would know it's attached to the coach and not to the preference menu

[Caliboy626]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

Could you just run a test? Create a new ccm with a coach. Create a coach that has a 3-4 base preference, and see what the ratings are? Then we would know it's attached to the coach and not to the preference menu

This would be an interesting test, and I would be very intrigued to see the results. If someone has the time to do this and inform us of your results that would be cool.

[Caliboy626]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

That is very disappointing considering Buffalo isn't running a base 4-3 this year. Mike Pettine (ex-Jets DC) is bringing his hybrid multiple front defense to Buffalo. So since Josh Looman (CFM designer) screwed up our base defense I have to deal with incorrect scheme overalls? Very disappointed. I hope this can be changed in an update. Hopefully I can contact him through Twitter and hopefully he sees my post and adjusts accordingly. Thank you caliboy for helping me figure out this dilemma I was in!

Don't feel too bad brettmickey. I think they screwed up everyone's team. My raiders default to westcoast playbook and almost never run the ball in this scheme even though they are a power run team. Tampa Bay also defaults to a west coast offense even though they are a power run team. The only saving grace is that Schiano likes big Arm quarterbacks so Josh Freeman comes in at an 89 "scheme overall". It also does not hurt Doug Martin to bad because he is a good receiving back.

But if my top players on my favorite team were getting screwed because they put the wrong base scheme in the game I would not be happy either. Fortunately the wrong schemes in the game actually make my raiders better as a CCM team.

[Caliboy626]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

brettmickey brings up a great point though. It would be nice to be able to pick a hybrid multiple front playbook for a created coach with a good mix of both 3-4 and 4-3 looks. It would really make tweener players valuable roster commodities. Think guys like Richard Seymour who has had success in both formations.

[brettmickey]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

Don't feel too bad brettmickey. I think they screwed up everyone's team. My raiders default to westcoast playbook and almost never run the ball in this scheme even though they are a power run team. Tampa Bay also defaults to a west coast offense even though they are a power run team. The only saving grace is that Schiano likes big Arm quarterbacks so Josh Freeman comes in at an 89 "scheme overall". It also does not hurt Doug Martin to bad because he is a good receiving back.

But if my top players on my favorite team were getting screwed because they put the wrong base scheme in the game I would not be happy either. Fortunately the wrong schemes in the game actually make my raiders better as a CCM team.

Yeah this incorrect labeling of my team's defensive scheme leaves my starting LE Alex Carrington at a 60 (originally 73) RE Kyle Williams 62 (originally 91) and DT Marcell Dareus 82 (originally 88). Donny Moore put them in the correct positions based on our teams actual scheme. Unfortunately Looman didn't get the memo so our CFM team has the wrong scheme and severely hinders my ability to grade players based on my actual scheme.

[slipknottin]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

brettmickey brings up a great point though. It would be nice to be able to pick a hybrid multiple front playbook for a created coach with a good mix of both 3-4 and 4-3 looks. It would really make tweener players valuable roster commodities. Think guys like Richard Seymour who has had success in both formations.

It's a lot more complicated than 3-4 vs. 4-3 too. The giants, seahawks, and 49ers all use a base defense that's a 4-3 under. The "3-4" Texans actually run a 5-2.