Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

What I don’t understand is why the NFL would even bother to license 2k to make these games? Why not just have EA publish them? If there is a supposed market for them, why wouldn’t EA want that pie too?

Personally, I’ve given up hope for football gaming. I’d get back into it if we could get something from a competent studio, but I don’t see that ever happening. There’s no reason to believe that 2k football is returning in the form we’d like, IMHO.

This is no news for me. If I want to play great football games I can play 2k5/2k8 and madden 07 on the OG XBOX.


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[PanthersFan89]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

If they were to arcade style, I would be fine if they do improved NFL street or backbreaker with the roster sharing and etc features.

You're in for a world of disappointment if this is what you're expecting. It is likely very clearly going to be an arcade game style backyard type game compared to a Blitz/Street style.



It (imo) is just to get a foot in the door for future games. If youre expecting even a close competition with Madden youre going to be very upset. I feel for 2K as theyre likely going to get slammed by fans who have unrealistic expectation on what theyre going to get.

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[Kanobi]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

What I don’t understand is why the NFL would even bother to license 2k to make these games? Why not just have EA publish them? If there is a supposed market for them, why wouldn’t EA want that pie too?

I think the difference there is that perhaps the NFL approached 2k and/or there was a mutual interest and has been for quite some time now considering they mentioned "multiple projects" on the horizon.

Personally, I’ve given up hope for football gaming. I’d get back into it if we could get something from a competent studio, but I don’t see that ever happening. There’s no reason to believe that 2k football is returning in the form we’d like, IMHO.

Those were my thoughts too before the 2k/NFL partnership was announced. Right now, the possibility of an APF/NFL2k game is very real until EA re-ups with the NFL on exclusivity to make "sim-style" football games.

In the immediate term, I find it awesome that this thread and discussion even exists. While alhobert32 and others make valid points about the 2021 game likely being NFL "Playgrounds", the off chance that it could be something else and the possibility of an NFL2k returning in 2022 is exciting, especially on next-gen hardware.

Basically, I'm just enjoying the ride.

[ASZEMPLE]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

If you cross-reference credits from the NFL 2K Series, APF 2K8, NBA 2K20 you'll see the core group of guys, who I imagine built the "2K Football Engine" are still there.

So the question becomes. What are these guys currently working on at Visual Concepts?

Shawn Lee
Matt Hamre
Evan Harsha
Mark Horsley
Nick Jones
Chris Larson
Tim Meekins
Gordon Read
Mark Roberts
Tim Schroeder
Nate Bamberger

Did quick look at the NBA 2k20 team and highlighted all the individuals that worked on NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8 by looking at the credits of those games. Quite a few still work there, it be curious if they pull the big guns off NBA 2K and reassign to their football game.

[Kanobi]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

Did quick look at the NBA 2k20 team and highlighted all the individuals that worked on NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8 by looking at the credits of those games. Quite a few still work there, it be curious if they pull the big guns off NBA 2K and reassign to their football game.

I bet they've been itching to get back into football, especially the engineers with the power at their disposal on today's systems.

[AUTHENTICNFLNBA]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

I bet they've been itching to get back into football, especially the engineers with the power at their disposal on today's systems.

Itching is an understatement... Those developers have something in store that one could only dream of I bet... I'm almost certain that this is the main reason why the NFL signed off on a deal so early.. Whatever the NFLPA saw, probably knocked their socks off and especially if they did some comparisons side by side with the last 3 MADDENS!! Oh boy.. Just think what would APF 2021 would look like with these last 10 years of retired players? My mouth is watering just thinking about it..

[Ev14]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

The direction of Take-Two Interactive seems clear now, they want a simulation and arcade version of every 2KSPORTS title. Subsequently creating two revenue streams.

Visual Concepts (Simulation)
NBA 2K
NFL 2K
WWE 2K

Saber Interactive (Arcade)
NBA 2K Playground
NFL 2K ___ground
WWE Battleground

[djordan]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

The direction of Take-Two Interactive seems clear now, they want a simulation and arcade version of every 2KSPORTS title. Subsequently creating two revenue streams.

Visual Concepts (Simulation)
NBA 2K
NFL 2K
WWE 2K

Saber Interactive (Arcade)
NBA 2K Playground
NFL 2K ___ground
WWE Battleground

Great point. I didn't even think of it like that.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

A lot of people are setting themselves up for a huge disappointment. Whatever NFL game is coming from 2K now, was not made to compete with Madden. The NFL is not going to allow a game to compete with Madden as a sim game and face legal backlash for that exclusive contract that solely give EA rights for sim gaming. So 2K pretty much HAS TO make a game as far from sim as possible to avoid issues until next year. It’s not a sim game, and likely won’t come close to a sim game and it’s a “community” based game which could mean it’s focused on online gaming in some way...hopefully not meaning pay to play.

[AUTHENTICNFLNBA]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

A lot of people are setting themselves up for a huge disappointment. Whatever NFL game is coming from 2K now, was not made to compete with Madden. The NFL is not going to allow a game to compete with Madden as a sim game and face legal backlash for that exclusive contract that solely give EA rights for sim gaming. So 2K pretty much HAS TO make a game as far from sim as possible to avoid issues until next year. It’s not a sim game, and likely won’t come close to a sim game and it’s a “community” based game which could mean it’s focused on online gaming in some way...hopefully not meaning pay to play.

This makes no sense at all... I'm just being honest! You had to have posted this without reading the entire thread.. Smh! If nobody knew what you're trying to say, we wouldn't have a thread now would we? Smh.. First of all, everybody including the announcement notice understands that the licensing agreement is over in 2021 which is why the release window was set for 2021.. You know what, I'm done here!! Almost had me..

[illwill10]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

I can see a scenario where like Ev14 posted, there could be a sim and non-sim version. Where they could release a NFL Playgrounds/and possibly mobile game next year and if the sim license finally opens back up, they would spend time developing a sim game that could release in 2022.

[mercalnd]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

This makes no sense at all... I'm just being honest! You had to have posted this without reading the entire thread.. Smh! If nobody knew what you're trying to say, we wouldn't have a thread now would we? Smh.. First of all, everybody including the announcement notice understands that the licensing agreement is over in 2021 which is why the release window was set for 2021.. You know what, I'm done here!! Almost had me..

You're the one who isn't following properly. It's been stated clearly that this 2K partnership does not mean the EA exclusive is over and that the first 2K game would not be a sim because EA still has exclusivity over sim NFL games. What remains unclear is what that means actually. The other big thoing we don't know is if EA and the NFL will renew the exclusivity agreement for sim games.

You've been quite condescending in your responses yet it seems you are the one speculating more than anybody else.

[Reed1417]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

I don't see any reason why the NFL and EA wouldn't renew their agreement honestly. They've been working together for quite some time and with all the money I imagine they bring in through MUT alone I just....don't see the NFL switching to 2k or opening it up to be non-exclusive or a multi partnership thing. Maybe that's me being pessimistic....or trying to keep my expectations in check.

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[AUTHENTICNFLNBA]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

[B]

You're the one who isn't following properly. It's been stated clearly that this 2K partnership does not mean the EA exclusive is over and that the first 2K game would not be a sim because EA still has exclusivity over sim NFL games. What remains unclear is what that means actually. The other big thoing we don't know is if EA and the NFL will renew the exclusivity agreement for sim games.

You've been quite condescending in your responses yet it seems you are the one speculating more than anybody else.

Oh!!! So this must be the " LATE BLOOMER " thread BECAUSE if I did not know or UNDERSTAND any of this then I wouldn't have said what I said!! Omg..The guys on OS these days smh!!

First off all, NO $&?;!!! The *** **** license is still ACTIVE ( as we speak ) until December of 2020 ( FACTS ) which means 2K SPORTS can not make a " SIM " title until the contract runs it's course ( duhhh!! ) As far as speculation goes, let's just say " speak for yourself when you say WE don know what a " non-sim " game truly is before you jump on my case superman... EA WILL NOT BE GETTING THE EXCLUSIVE DEAL ALONE WHEN THE TIME COMES!!! Period... We already know this is WHY they announced this 2K PARTNERSHIP ( Remember EA's Twitter tantrum ) so early!! Again.. Duhhhh!!!

[AUTHENTICNFLNBA]

Re: Its NFL Playgrounds, right?

I don't see any reason why the NFL and EA wouldn't renew their agreement honestly. They've been working together for quite some time and with all the money I imagine they bring in through MUT alone I just....don't see the NFL switching to 2k or opening it up to be non-exclusive or a multi partnership thing. Maybe that's me being pessimistic....or trying to keep my expectations in check.

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I can give you almost 20million reasons why the NFL would allow an shared licensing!! DO THE MATH!!! Yeah yeah yeah, MUT makes a a lot of cash but 2K dwarfs EA in micro transactions ( Take a look ) Again, madden sells almost 5 million copies a year and 2K has been at 14 or 15 million for the last 2 years!!! Think about what just wrote one more time.. The greedy NFL could gain more money off a 2K football game than EA could get a loan for!! That license ( exclusive ) would have to be a billion or more!! Period... Think about that!!