Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

[jmood88]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

What are you talking about? In both Arizona and NY the pick was made before he arrived. Both franchises hoped he could serve as a mentor when they brought him in. St. Louis let him go when he couldn't stay on the field and Bulger put up good numbers in his place. Bulger was drafted late in the 2000 draft. He was never intended to be a franchise guy but the Rams were able to capture lightening in a bottle and chose to go with the hot hand. And with similar offensive talent around Bulger the Rams have never been able to regain the success they had with Warner while Warner had continued to produce when healthy and has lead a moribund franchise to its first Superbowl.

You're right, I don't know why I thought he was on the teams when they got their quarterbacks. The Rams were not the same team that they were when Warner was there.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

...not to mention his career stats compare very favorably to other HOF QBs.

He's easily in.

Agreed.

[Seahawk76]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I was living in St. Louis when The Greatest Show On Turf was at its peak. Warner had some great weapons but he was the guy who made that offense what it was. His ability to consistently throw perfect strikes and hit receivers in stride and right on time is what allowed Bruce, Holt, and Faulk to gain so many yards after catch. I don't think I've ever seen an offense that could blow down the field as quickly and efficiently as that one could and Warner was the guy pulling the trigger.

The Rams made a big mistake by letting Warner go in favor of Bulger and Mike Martz hasn't been able to come anywhere close to his previous success as an offensive coordinator without Warner either.

[tdawg3782]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

And for the sake of discussion, Warner's quarterback ratings from 2004 (first year with the Giants) to now:

86.5
85.8
89.3
89.8
96.9

He was never benched for ineffectiveness. He was benched because of injury and politics. Both franchises spent a lot of money on first round draft picks at quarterback and owners don't like it when those big ticket players sit on the bench. Warner should be commended for winning over the Arizona front office and convincing them he was the guy and not Leinart and he has rewarded them for their decision.

Damn you beat me to it. I was gonna say the same thing about high round draft picks. You had Eli Manning and Matt Lienart. BTW Eli has never had a better rating then Warner did as a Giant.

[tdawg3782]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Why do you think they spent money drafting quarterbacks? If he was killing everyone in practice and during games you would think that teams would be comfortable with him around. The fact that both teams he went to after the Rams spent first round picks on quarterbacks rather than picking a quarterback in a lower round says alot about how much confidence they had in his ability.

From 2004 to now his touchdowns and interceptions:
6/4
11/9
6/5
27/17
30/14

Now he picked things up the past couple years but what was going on before that? His stats weren't all that great, even if you want to give him a pass for injuries.

Um....he was hurt those seasons. Give him a full season and see what happens. The reason the Giants and Cardinals used high draft picks on QB's is because Warner was getting up there in age and the wanted an heir apparent. Seems logical. I don't think it was because they didn't think Warner could play IMO.

[raidersbball20]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I think warner will get in. It will help him out with another superbowl. He has made it to 3 superbowls, and that is pretty good

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I don't know why he thinks Warner had a flash-and-pan career anyways.

His entire body of work:

- 2 time league MVP
- Super Bowl MVP
- 3rd highest QB rating of all time
- highest average yardage per game in NFL history
- 2nd most accurate passer in NFL history

I can't think of anyone who was named as the best player in any league for 2 years who wasn't inducted to that league's HOF.

[Rocky]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I don't know why he thinks Warner had a flash-and-pan career anyways.

His entire body of work:

- 2 time league MVP
- Super Bowl MVP
- 3rd highest QB rating of all time
- highest average yardage per game in NFL history
- 2nd most accurate passer in NFL history

I can't think of anyone who was named as the best player in any league for 2 years who wasn't inducted to that league's HOF.

The thing about that is, he had really only 4-5 good years and those years just happened to be when he had massively loaded offensive weapons around him. Every other year he's been mediocre. That's the difference between him and a guy like Aikman, who had 10 years of good, consistent play.

I think he should be in, but he's not a lock or a first ballot HOF. I can see him going the Art Monk route.

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Lock. Lockity lock lock lock.

[rog152]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Fitzgerald is putting up huge numbers as posted by NFL.com

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/18/fitzgerald-on-prolific-playoff-run/

Fitzgerald on a prolific playoff run

Posted: News | NFL.com Staff | Tags: Arizona Cardinals, Larry Fitzgerald

Arizona’s Larry Fitzgerald is on a playoff run that matches any other wide receiver in NFL playoff history.

Fitzgerald followed up two 100-yard performances in the Cardinals’ first two playoff games with another outstanding day in the NFC Championship Game against the Eagles, finishing with nine receptions for 152 yards and three touchdowns (highlights).

His prolific run during his first postseason puts Fitzgerald in exclusive company. Fitzgerald’s 419 receiving yards during the 2008 playoffs are the most in a single postseason, since 1970, as well as the most by any player in NFL history during his first three career playoff games.
Most receiving yards, single postseason
Year Player Team Games Yards
2008 Larry Fitzgerald Cardinals 3 419
1988 Jerry Rice 49ers 3 409
2003 Steve Smith Panthers 4 404
1983 Charlie Brown Redskins 3 401

The rest of Fitzgerald’s 2008 playoff numbers also stack up against the best. His five touchdown receptions rank second all-time (behind Jerry Rice’s six during the 1988 playoffs), and his 23 receptions are tied for third all-time, trailing New England’s Wes Welker (2007) and Carolina’s Steve Smith (2005), who each totaled 27.

Fitzgerald has one more game to put himself at the top of each of those lists.

Isn't Warner partly responsible for this?

[SportsTop]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Isn't Warner partly responsible for this?

Naaaahhhh.....according to some people his talented surrounding cast made Warner's legendary accuracy even better and his release quicker than Marino's.

[Exonerated]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Lock it in.

[Rocky]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Naaaahhhh.....according to some people his talented surrounding cast made Warner's legendary accuracy even better and his release quicker than Marino's.

And as brittile and turnover prone as....well Kurt Warner. With a Super Bowl win, I think he will get in eventually....but he is far from a lock. There are many players not in the HOF who were lights out for 6-7 seasons who are left out because of longevity. If Warner gets in, they need to as well.

[Cebby]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

There are many players not in the HOF who were lights out for 6-7 seasons who are left out because of longevity.

There aren't quarterbacks like that.

[jmood88]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Naaaahhhh.....according to some people his talented surrounding cast made Warner's legendary accuracy even better and his release quicker than Marino's.

Who said anything like that?