Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

[SportsTop]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

One thing about the Bulger argument. In 2002 Warner went 0-6 with the RAms. He threw 3 TD's and 11 INTS. When Bulger came in with the exact same team he went 6-1 with the best number of his life. And he's proven to be a not so great QB. Two guys, same talent around them, two different seasons.

Warner's had success, but he needs more to be in the conversation. When you look at the hall of fame QB's, he just doesn't fit yet.

That was the year he suffered the broken finger/hand (the second time it happened).

[stoncold32]

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Well, that's debatable. In any case, you could argue that Terrell Davis had the best 4 years of any RB. An MVP, 3 rushing titles, 2 SB victories, one of five RB's to rush for 2000 yards in a season. Should he get in?

Terrell Davis was clearly a great RB who was cut short byinjures. But not before having some great seasons. Now if you said Jamal Anderson, then no.

Warner goes to the HOF. There are people in there with alot less better stats, and no SB wins.

[bkrich83]

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I think that could be going a little far. Steve young spent part of his career as a backup

So did Unitas. Hell Unitas was cut by the Steelers and was playing sandlot ball at one point. He also lost his starting job at one point before regaining it later in his career.

[Chip Douglass]

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I don't really understand the "product of the system" argument either.

Someone a few pages ago brought up a great point about Warner being the key to the Greatest Show on Turf. That offense, IMO, ran through Warner's ability to make quick, accurate throws in stride to Holt/Bruce, who would then rack the YAC. It's not a coincidence to me that the Rams began to spiral off once they released Warner.

[NovaStar]

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Kurt Warner should now definitely be in the hall of fame. Some people what to use rigid and stiff analysis on Kurt but won't apply that same analysis to other QB's that are in the hall. Let's take Marino. Marino (my all time favorite) amassed a lot of stats during his tenure in the NFL but his stats did not translate to alot of wins (rings). The system was designed for him to pass, pass, pass, quite naturally he would then have a lot of passing stats. Definite Hall of famer, one SB appearance, no SB victories. I don't know the number of MVP's.

Troy Aikmen. Troy was the beneficiary of a great team (really a block buster trade, what was it 12 players for Herschell Walker?). You take away that talent that Troy had, You got Carson Palmer.

Joe Nameth. C'mon one SB win, ended up with the Rams on the bench.

Kurt has accomplished quite a bit during his tenure in the NFL. Those years when he was unproductive was due to injury, #1 draft pick politics, and a plain old disbelief that a player at a certain age can't perform. Kurt has proven himself to still be above level at the qb position, man, he has taken two different teams to the SB (no other hall of fame qb has done that) on top of everything else. All things considered, he should be a lock.

[hamannator]

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IMO, Carson Palmer's better than Aikman.

But I understand and agree with what you're saying.

[Exonerated]

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Carson Palmer would be good. If he wasn't on the Bengals. And his knee didn't explode.

[rog152]

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good read on Warner,

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/21/chff/index.html?bcnn=yes

[Jistic]

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Kurt Warner did more than lift the historically dysfunctional Cardinals franchise into its first Super Bowl on Sunday. He also lifted himself past the Chosen One, Peyton Manning,to right behind Tom Brady on the list of the best quarterbacks in the NFL today.

Wow...that was all I had to read to not waste the next 5 minutes of my life by reading that.

Ask 32 GM's which QB they'd rather have right now.

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[Sarah]

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Kurt Warner should now definitely be in the hall of fame. Some people what to use rigid and stiff analysis on Kurt but won't apply that same analysis to other QB's that are in the hall. Let's take Marino. Marino (my all time favorite) amassed a lot of stats during his tenure in the NFL but his stats did not translate to alot of wins (rings). The system was designed for him to pass, pass, pass, quite naturally he would then have a lot of passing stats. Definite Hall of famer, one SB appearance, no SB victories. I don't know the number of MVP's.

Troy Aikmen. Troy was the beneficiary of a great team (really a block buster trade, what was it 12 players for Herschell Walker?). You take away that talent that Troy had, You got Carson Palmer.

Joe Nameth. C'mon one SB win, ended up with the Rams on the bench.

Kurt has accomplished quite a bit during his tenure in the NFL. Those years when he was unproductive was due to injury, #1 draft pick politics, and a plain old disbelief that a player at a certain age can't perform. Kurt has proven himself to still be above level at the qb position, man, he has taken two different teams to the SB (no other hall of fame qb has done that) on top of everything else. All things considered, he should be a lock.

I have tears in my eyes when I read the last paragraph. When Kurt became a FA from Rams, I was really praying that SEA would pick him up to play behind Hasselbeck. I really felt that Kurt is a better QB than Hasselbeck when the game is on the line. Hasselbeck has a tendency to pass the ball to the wrong hands during playoffs.

[skydog71]

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I think a lot depends on what happens in the next couple of years. If Warner gets hurt, Leinart comes in for the rest of the season and has a 100+ QB rating, that's going to make people wonder if Warner was once again just surrounded by a lot of talent. For now, I'm on the fence with Warner.

[zeroice]

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When its all over The career, then and only then we can talk about when he will be in the Hall of fame..As we all know a lot of things can happen before you get nominated....Time will tell of course......The voting for the hall can be interesting at times, it sometimes has politics involved....Just ask some of the great ones who are not in the hall yet.....You first have to be eligible to be in the hall.And last time i looked at it, Warner is still in football and he might not retire yet....So when his carreer is done like i said then and only then will we know the truth

[PrettyT11]

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The funniest part of all of this is if they Cards would have lost to the Falcons we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

[zeroice]

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The funniest part of all of this is if they Cards would have lost to the Falcons we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Now thats the only thing real about this thread

[Chip Douglass]

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The funniest part of all of this is if they Cards would have lost to the Falcons we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

But they didn't. What's your point?

Besides, it wouldn't really diminish the great regular season he had this year - 4,600 yards, 30 TDs, 67% completion percentage, 96.6 QB rating, and being the MVP frontrunner through 3/4 of the season.