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  • SportsTop
    The Few. The Proud.
    • Jul 2003
    • 6716

    #151
    Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

    Originally posted by Rocky
    And as brittile and turnover prone as....well Kurt Warner. With a Super Bowl win, I think he will get in eventually....but he is far from a lock. There are many players not in the HOF who were lights out for 6-7 seasons who are left out because of longevity. If Warner gets in, they need to as well.
    People must have this over-inflated view of past QB's. Let's call it the Brett Favre syndrome.

    Troy Aikman and Steve Young only started 16 games three times in their entire career. Joe Montana only did it once.

    Again, find me another QB with Kurt Warner's resume that isn't in the HOF and I'll get in line with the people that don't think he should be in.

    Originally posted by jmood88
    Who said anything like that?
    Let's not beat around the bush here.....you damn sure insinuated it.
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    • snepp
      We'll waste him too.
      • Apr 2003
      • 10007

      #152
      Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

      Originally posted by jmood88
      Who said anything like that?
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      • daflyboys
        Banned
        • May 2003
        • 18238

        #153
        Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

        He's in. Plus it will make a good display story at the HOF: grocery clerk to Super Bowl winning QB.

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        • Rocky
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 6896

          #154
          Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

          Originally posted by Squint
          People must have this over-inflated view of past QB's. Let's call it the Brett Favre syndrome.

          Troy Aikman and Steve Young only started 16 games three times in their entire career. Joe Montana only did it once.

          Again, find me another QB with Kurt Warner's resume that isn't in the HOF and I'll get in line with the people that don't think he should be in.



          Let's not beat around the bush here.....you damn sure insinuated it.
          C'mon, you know there's a difference between missing 1 or 2 games every season than playing a 16 game season in 2001 and not playing in over 10 games until 2007.

          If we are going off of postseason success, do you want to penalize Phil Simms or Ken Stabler because they played under a ball control offenses and didn't put up big numbers through their tenure.

          If it's about numbers, guys like Ken Anderson, Randall Cunningham, and Rich Gannon put up similar numbers and had more good years but they're teams weren't quite strong enough to win it all.

          To me, for a QB to be in the HOF, you need three things: 1) good numbers, 2) reasonably good postseason success, 3) the face of a franchise for a good amount of time

          Warner has 1 and 2, but 3 not so much. It would've been different if after St. Louis, he went somewhere, played well and been solid until his recent success...but that wasn't the case.
          "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
          -Rocky Balboa

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          • bkrich83
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            • Jul 2002
            • 71582

            #155
            Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

            Originally posted by Rocky
            C'mon, you know there's a difference between missing 1 or 2 games every season than playing a 16 game season in 2001 and not playing in over 10 games until 2007.

            If we are going off of postseason success, do you want to penalize Phil Simms or Ken Stabler because they played under a ball control offenses and didn't put up big numbers through their tenure.

            If it's about numbers, guys like Ken Anderson, Randall Cunningham, and Rich Gannon put up similar numbers and had more good years but they're teams weren't quite strong enough to win it all.

            To me, for a QB to be in the HOF, you need three things: 1) good numbers, 2) reasonably good postseason success, 3) the face of a franchise for a good amount of time

            Warner has 1 and 2, but 3 not so much. It would've been different if after St. Louis, he went somewhere, played well and been solid until his recent success...but that wasn't the case.
            A QB needs to be the face of the franchise for a good amount of time to be a HOF'er? Please.

            Fact of the matter is Warner has more than enough on his resume to be in the HOF, especially if he leads the Cardinals of all teams to a world championship.
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            • feeq14
              MVP
              • Jun 2004
              • 3526

              #156
              Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

              Originally posted by bkrich83
              A QB needs to be the face of the franchise for a good amount of time to be a HOF'er? Please.

              Fact of the matter is Warner has more than enough on his resume to be in the HOF, especially if he leads the Cardinals of all teams to a world championship.
              I dont see it. What is his resume?

              He had 3 -4 standout years in St Louis. and he has hardly been seen for the last 4 years. If he adds a second ring then I will definately say he is in. but without a second ring unless he does this for another 4 years I dont see him in the Hall

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              • hamannator
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                • Dec 2008
                • 211

                #157
                Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                4 of the BEST SEASONS any NFL quarterback has ever had, that's what says he's in. Plus the Super Bowl ring (plus a potential second, WITH THE CARDINALS), the second & third Super Bowl appearances, and the 2 MVP's.

                And to those who think his success as of late has been because of the receivers, why was Leinert not able to get the job done? Or McCown?
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                • Jukeman
                  Showtime
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10955

                  #158
                  Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                  Originally posted by hamannator
                  4 of the BEST SEASONS any NFL quarterback has ever had, that's what says he's in. Plus the Super Bowl ring (plus a potential second, WITH THE CARDINALS), the second & third Super Bowl appearances, and the 2 MVP's.

                  And to those who think his success as of late has been because of the receivers, why was Leinert not able to get the job done? Or McCown?
                  I will love too see someone counter this

                  Good post!

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                  • Rocky
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6896

                    #159
                    Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                    Originally posted by hamannator
                    4 of the BEST SEASONS any NFL quarterback has ever had, that's what says he's in. Plus the Super Bowl ring (plus a potential second, WITH THE CARDINALS), the second & third Super Bowl appearances, and the 2 MVP's.

                    And to those who think his success as of late has been because of the receivers, why was Leinert not able to get the job done? Or McCown?
                    Well, that's debatable. In any case, you could argue that Terrell Davis had the best 4 years of any RB. An MVP, 3 rushing titles, 2 SB victories, one of five RB's to rush for 2000 yards in a season. Should he get in?
                    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
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                    • Jukeman
                      Showtime
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10955

                      #160
                      Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                      Originally posted by Rocky
                      Well, that's debatable. In any case, you could argue that Terrell Davis had the best 4 years of any RB. An MVP, 3 rushing titles, 2 SB victories, one of five RB's to rush for 2000 yards in a season. Should he get in?
                      Most likely TD will be in the Hall

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                      • hamannator
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 211

                        #161
                        Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                        Originally posted by Rocky
                        Well, that's debatable. In any case, you could argue that Terrell Davis had the best 4 years of any RB. An MVP, 3 rushing titles, 2 SB victories, one of five RB's to rush for 2000 yards in a season. Should he get in?
                        Definitely. TD was a great player, and I was too young at the time, but I beleive he was forced into early retirement due to injuries? If that's the case, it's too bad, 'cause if he hadn't had to do so, he'd have been a sure-fire hall of famer.

                        On the topic of injury shortened careers, how about Bo Jackson? He's in the hall and he played for a very short amount of time. So why can't Warner be in?
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                        • SportsTop
                          The Few. The Proud.
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 6716

                          #162
                          Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                          Originally posted by Rocky
                          Well, that's debatable. In any case, you could argue that Terrell Davis had the best 4 years of any RB. An MVP, 3 rushing titles, 2 SB victories, one of five RB's to rush for 2000 yards in a season. Should he get in?
                          This thread isn't about TD. Besides, RB's are measured differently than QB's in getting into the HOF.
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                          • bkrich83
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                            • Jul 2002
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                            #163
                            Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                            Originally posted by Rocky
                            Well, that's debatable. In any case, you could argue that Terrell Davis had the best 4 years of any RB. An MVP, 3 rushing titles, 2 SB victories, one of five RB's to rush for 2000 yards in a season. Should he get in?
                            If Gale Sayers is in, TD should be in. Without question.
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                            • feeq14
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 3526

                              #164
                              Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                              Originally posted by bkrich83
                              If Gale Sayers is in, TD should be in. Without question.
                              Sayers came back and still remained productive.

                              Part of HOF status is that you were dominant throughout your era. You cant say that about Warner. I just dont see a guy who spent so many parts of his career as a back up in the Hall.

                              TD was very good in his time, but he didnt last long. If you let TD in the suddenly Bo Jackson shoud be in. The hall is reserved for players who were in some fashion dominant over the bulk of their career. And again, sure leinart and Mcown didnt put up the same numbers as warner this year, but that still doesnt diminish the fact that he has two of the best receivers AND a much better OC than the typical QB. WHich if you think about it is the same situation that brought him success in ST louis.

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                              • hamannator
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 211

                                #165
                                Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

                                What brought him success in St. Louis was his ability to throw the football accurately, and quickly. Marc Bulger worked with the same people Warner did, and in no way shape or for did he produce the way Warner did. The Rams last Super Bowl appearance was with Warner at the helm. And now he's leading another team (THE ARIZONE CARDINALS!) to the Super Bowl? That's HoF worthy right there.

                                And the reason he was benched has already been addressed by someone early. Owners don't like to see their prized first round selections sitting on the bench. Warner was never benched for ineffectiveness. He hasn't played poorly since 2003. Had he been given full seasons all the times he was benched, I assure you you'd feel different about him.
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