Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

[Rocky]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

If Gale Sayers is in, TD should be in. Without question.

Fair enough. If Warner wins a SB, he is in eventually no doubt. If he wins a SB and strings together a couple more good seasons, then he is first ballot IMO.

[hamannator]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

That I can agree with I suppose, all though even without this Super Bowl win I'd have him in the Hall eventually.

[Cebby]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Sayers came back and still remained productive.

Davis was a first team All Pro 3 times, MVP in 1998, Offensive PotY in 1996, and Super Bowl MVP in 1997.

Superlative wise, he's well beyond a Hall of Famer. Considering he did all of that in 4 years is a Hall of Fame career to me.

[bkrich83]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Sayers came back and still remained productive.

Part of HOF status is that you were dominant throughout your era. You cant say that about Warner. I just dont see a guy who spent so many parts of his career as a back up in the Hall.

TD was very good in his time, but he didnt last long. If you let TD in the suddenly Bo Jackson shoud be in. The hall is reserved for players who were in some fashion dominant over the bulk of their career. And again, sure leinart and Mcown didnt put up the same numbers as warner this year, but that still doesnt diminish the fact that he has two of the best receivers AND a much better OC than the typical QB. WHich if you think about it is the same situation that brought him success in ST louis.

Gale Sayers and TD played the same number of seasons, and Davis rushed for nearly twice the yardage and nearly twice as many touchdowns while being the key component for 2 SB winning teams.

There is no argument you can make for Sayers you can't for Davis. If Sayers is in, Davis should be.

In Warner's case he's got the numbers, he's got the awards and he's got the ring, and quite possibily will get another one.

[SportsTop]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Gale Sayers and TD played the same number of seasons, and Davis rushed for nearly twice the yardage and nearly twice as many touchdowns while being the key component for 2 SB winning teams.

There is no argument you can make for Sayers you can't for Davis. If Sayers is in, Davis should be.

In Warner's case he's got the numbers, he's got the awards and he's got the ring, and quite possibily will get another one.

Yep.

I still have yet to hear anyone name me another QB that has 2 MVPs, a SB MVP, and played in what is now 3 SBs that isn't in the HOF.

[kcarr]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I just dont see a guy who spent so many parts of his career as a back up in the Hall.

I think that could be going a little far. Steve young spent part of his career as a backup

[andayaman]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Let's just say Kurt hadn't done anything earlier in his career.

He helped get the Arizona Cardinals to the Superbowl.

Let me say that again...He helped get the Arizona Cardinals to the Superbowl.

That's not Hall worthy?

[marktg30]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Davis was a first team All Pro 3 times, MVP in 1998, Offensive PotY in 1996, and Super Bowl MVP in 1997.

Superlative wise, he's well beyond a Hall of Famer. Considering he did all of that in 4 years is a Hall of Fame career to me.

I thought I read somewhere that the average NFL Career is 3 Seasons. I agree, his performance over that span deserves a spot in Canton.

[JBH3]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

2 time MVP. 3 times in the Super Bowl, arguably the best alumnus of the World League, extremely high career passer rating, most likely about to win NFL Man of the year,given to someone who exemplifies excellence on and off the field( do not discredit this award in terms of his HOF resume)


Kurt Warner is an example about everything good in pro athletes, and just like I hope the HOF does the right thing and selects Pat Tillman for enshrinement this year, they better do the right thing here.

Look man...Its no the Hall of Recognition, and whatever Warner did in the World League is null and void.

While I admire the sacrifices made by Patt Tillman I DO NOT expect to, nor do I think he deserves to be inducted into the HOF.

The HOF is reserved for the greatest PLAYERS who played the game. Its not the Hall of Good Samaritans.

Regarding Warner though...I'm on the fence.

His success in the postseason, and never losing a conf. championship game is stellar. His body of work though is questionable because he came into the league late, and burned out after a few seasons due to his much documented beating he took in the Martz offense in STL.

What he has done this year is outstanding, and I think if he can come back and have success, doesn't have to be a SB berth, then maybe that might solidfy him.

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Look man...Its no the Hall of Recognition, and whatever Warner did in the World League is null and void.

I disagree. It's the HOF of Pro Football, not the HOF of NFL.

[Cebby]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I disagree. It's the HOF of Pro Football, not the HOF of NFL.

But it was an NFL minor league. I can at least understand where someone might believe a CFL or AFL player deserves some HoF, but a minor league player does not.

[JBH3]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I disagree. It's the HOF of Pro Football, not the HOF of NFL.

Ok...right you are...but see below.

But it was an NFL minor league. I can at least understand where someone might believe a CFL or AFL player deserves some HoF, but a minor league player does not.

[Jukeman]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Ok...right you are...but see below.

he played in the AFL...

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

But it was an NFL minor league. I can at least understand where someone might believe a CFL or AFL player deserves some HoF, but a minor league player does not.

Oh, World League == NFL Europe?

Didn't know that, ok. Sorry everyone.

[Jistic]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

To me he's still not in the HOF. If he wins a Super Bowl this year, and plays a few very solid season then he's in. His resume is just too incomplete. Yes he's had some great single seasons, and a ton of not so great seasons.

The hall of fame is way more than stats, your first judge is to think and not even look at numbers and ask yourself if someones a hall of famer. After that sure numbers are a piece, but comparing a QB's numbers in 2001 to a QB in 1950 is plain stupid.

That being said, as far as Warner is concerned his numbers for the HOF at this point deserve an INC grade.

Total yards aren't bad, he's in Len Dawson territory about the bottom 3rd. TD's are another story, he's right near the bottom, but ahead of Aikman and Namath.

Now the big problem, Warner has only played in more games than ONE other QB in the Hall. And that QB played in the era of the 10 game season.

One thing about the Bulger argument. In 2002 Warner went 0-6 with the RAms. He threw 3 TD's and 11 INTS. When Bulger came in with the exact same team he went 6-1 with the best number of his life. And he's proven to be a not so great QB. Two guys, same talent around them, two different seasons.

Warner's had success, but he needs more to be in the conversation. When you look at the hall of fame QB's, he just doesn't fit yet.