Michael Vick Discussion Thread

[MacPlex]

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You don't believe he was involved based on what?

I have always gone on the evidence, and the fact he admitted what he did in federal court under oath as part of his plea agreement. Based on those factors he was quite involved in it.

The way many people in the media tell the story is like he was the only one who killed these dogs. I def believe his dumb a** financed this operation no doubt. As for the killing of the dogs I believe it was mostly his cousin's and their friends. As far as him admitting to all of it uh..... yea. It was either that or get the book thrown at him and with his cousins flipping on him he had no choice. Like I said if you were not there you do not know exactly know what happened. I guess you also believe a plane disintegrated into the pentagon and left a 20ft whole lol.

[Fox1994]

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^Love ur sig, dude. When I get some cash, I'm gonna hook one up and get me a #7 Philly.

[oakfan162]

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I am interested in seeing the city of Philly's reaction vs. the nation as a whole, when/if he finally plays. Its like a sociology prof created an interesting case study...

[Fox1994]

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Indeed, Oakfan. Ey, you like the A's and the Warriors. Friend of mine. lol

[deaduck]

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What about horse racing? You know the "sport" where if the horse gets hurt(Not valuable anymore) they are put down? Where the outcry and protest for those other animals whom dont have voices?

Bad example.

When a horse breaks a leg, the chances of recovery are practically nil due to the horses metabolism and structure.

And this is where animal rights and the squeamish get it all wrong...a head shot was the quickest/cleanest kill but "uproar" goaded them into the lethal injection shot technique which causes MORE suffering before it kills.

[Fox1994]

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^I'm not sure, bruh. Animals are killed for all sorts of reasons all the time, from euthanising at an animal shelter to hunting to the putting down of horses. We had a family friend who shot his dog because it didn't respond well to training and was, essentially, a danger to his family. I certainly didn't think it was humane, but we weren't exactly clamoring to call the police or something.

I don't understand the politics of this country or, frankly, the world because people like to act like dogs are so much better than cows or pigs or chickens, which we eat. It's not like there's a such thing as slaughterhouses or something. Make your mind up across the board.

I know it sounds insensitive, but I don't see how dogfighting is so much worse than hunting or anything else. I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with the main discussion, but don't go there. The moral highhorse a lot of people in this country seem to be riding is driving me crazy. Maybe this is just coming out because it's late.

I mean, I like dogs. I like animals in general. I'm usually extremely liberal, and I don't think it's okay to fight dogs, but with some of the other things that are legal in this country, come on! Alright, I'll stop. Before I say something I'll really regret.

Actually, lastly, how come Donte Stallworth only served 24 days in jail? Of a 30-day sentence, no less... I mean, he killed a person, a HUMAN BEING, and because it was an accident he gets less time? Because he was f'ing drunk? Granted, the guy ran in front of his car, but come on... 24 days in jail? I don't even know what to say about that. But, somehow, I can't stop... Human and animal lives aren't equal. Perhaps they should be, but they're not... Donte's directly responsible for the death of a human being, gets 24 days in jail and Vick's in jail for 23 months for killing dogs? And financing a gambling ring centered around it.

That's not justice. It's not like it's racism or something, it's just stupid.

Alright, my bad for the tangent. Honestly, I apologize. I just couldn't keep it in.

[MacPlex]

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Bad example.

When a horse breaks a leg, the chances of recovery are practically nil due to the horses metabolism and structure.

And this is where animal rights and the squeamish get it all wrong...a head shot was the quickest/cleanest kill but "uproar" goaded them into the lethal injection shot technique which causes MORE suffering before it kills.

Did you see the Hbo story real sports did on horse racing I imagine not. They had vids where guy were trying to slice the horses throat but kept missing the vital organ. They also showed vids where they took hand guns and attempted to shoot them in the head often missing before they hit flush. F*** that they put soo much stress on their body w/ all that racing. Not to mention steroids they pump into their bodies.

Any whew A big "child please" for that guy. The Eagles made a intelligent move to sign Vick. Even if he doesnt play teams will still prepare for him. That takes priceless practice time away from game planning against the rest of the Eagles offense. And that scenario is just him on the bench. He automatically improves the passing and running of the eagles.

[MacPlex]

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Omg Im listening to a Philly radio station 610 wip. They are trying to connect Vick to serial killers. Saying many of them started off killing animals. Ive been listening to this station all day 2 days in a row and these people are sickening.

[bkrich83]

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The way many people in the media tell the story is like he was the only one who killed these dogs. I def believe his dumb a** financed this operation no doubt. As for the killing of the dogs I believe it was mostly his cousin's and their friends. As far as him admitting to all of it uh..... yea. It was either that or get the book thrown at him and with his cousins flipping on him he had no choice. Like I said if you were not there you do not know exactly know what happened. I guess you also believe a plane disintegrated into the pentagon and left a 20ft whole lol.

You're actiing like you were there and know more. It's based on what exactly? I've read the court docs, I've read his plea, I've read what he admitted to.

does having his cousins do most of the killing make what he did more acceptable?

As far as the pentagon thing, how is that relevant?

[MacPlex]

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You're actiing like you were there and know more. It's based on what exactly? I've read the court docs, I've read his plea, I've read what he admitted to.

does having his cousins do most of the killing make what he did more acceptable?

As far as the pentagon thing, how is that relevant?

1. No I'm not. That's my point, neither of us was there and you cant believe everything you read. His so called friends/cousins(which are the reason they searched the house any way... allegedly) would have said anything to cut there prison time down(this includes lying). There are plenty of stories where people have been advised to take plea bargains although they were innocent because justice does not always prevail.

2. does having his cousins do most of the killing make what he did more acceptable?
It's all about public perception. Michael Vick is the only name tied to this situation which gives this illusion that he sat in his backyard by himself and killed and totured these dogs. As I mentioned many people are comparing him to serial killers. The Nfl is a full time job Im sure(IMO) that he didnt have enough time to be the major dog killer.

As far as the pentagon thing, how is that relevant?
lol I was kidding but in reality If you look up the records of this event In History(broken down is "His" "story") it will say a 757 hit the pentagon, but obviously looking at video tells a different story. If you believe every court document, wiki page or article you read to be exactly what happened then I feel for u. I'm the type of person that is slow to judge and unless I was there to see it w/ my own eyes then as far as I'm concerned its based on the truth, rather its a movie, article, book, news cast or court document.

[mKoz26]

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I know it sounds insensitive, but I don't see how dogfighting is so much worse than hunting or anything else. I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with the main discussion, but don't go there. The moral highhorse a lot of people in this country seem to be riding is driving me crazy. Maybe this is just coming out because it's late.

Dogfighting = killing dogs for excitement, enjoyment, entertainment.
Hunting = killing animals for food. Notice every species does it. It's nature.

The differences are obvious.

Actually, lastly, how come Donte Stallworth only served 24 days in jail? Of a 30-day sentence, no less... I mean, he killed a person, a HUMAN BEING, and because it was an accident he gets less time? Because he was f'ing drunk? Granted, the guy ran in front of his car, but come on... 24 days in jail? I don't even know what to say about that. But, somehow, I can't stop... Human and animal lives aren't equal. Perhaps they should be, but they're not... Donte's directly responsible for the death of a human being, gets 24 days in jail and Vick's in jail for 23 months for killing dogs? And financing a gambling ring centered around it.

I don't see how this is an argument anymore. This is ignorance at its best. Intent. Intent is the difference. Michael Vick intended to kill dogs. Then he lied about it. No remorse. Dante Stallworth accidentally killed a man. He got his sentence because the case against him was weak and it is likely that a sober man put in the same situation would've killed the man as well. Stallworth called the police, did what they said, etc. and did everything he could to show remorse. And he didn't wait to do this until after he found out he was screwed completely like Vick did. Get it now?

FTR, I think Vick has served his time and should be allowed to play and earn a living in the NFL this year. Everybody deserves a second chance.

[P2K]

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What I don't like in all of this is that many people are treating Vick like he was a serial pedo or he did some Jim Jones type dealy. He was involved in terrible acts, but damn...

[Fox1994]

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Dogfighting = killing dogs for excitement, enjoyment, entertainment.
Hunting = killing animals for food. Notice every species does it. It's nature.

The differences are obvious.

Kill that noise. In the modern world, we don't have to hunt for animals. No one in developed countries hunts for food. They hunt for sport. If they say they hunt for food, they must not have decent enough income to go the f'k to a shopping mart. Don't come at me with that.

Wolves and other shall we say non-domesticated animals are known to attack each other on the basis of defending territory. Which is, essentially, the predecessor to domesticated dog fighting. The difference is that one is allowed by human beings and one is allowed by nature.

I don't see how this is an argument anymore. This is ignorance at its best. Intent. Intent is the difference. Michael Vick intended to kill dogs. Then he lied about it. No remorse. Dante Stallworth accidentally killed a man. He got his sentence because the case against him was weak and it is likely that a sober man put in the same situation would've killed the man as well. Stallworth called the police, did what they said, etc. and did everything he could to show remorse. And he didn't wait to do this until after he found out he was screwed completely like Vick did. Get it now?

It wouldn't be an argument, but someone brought it up. Pepole continuously act as if this guy was the first to do what he did. He's probably not even the first in the NFL... He's just the first to get caught (whether it was because of the magnitude of his personal operation or the fact that his cousins/friends couldn't keep their mouths shut is beyond me).

My bad if it's that big a deal to you that we discuss this. Just doesn't make any sense to me... 24 days and 23 months is a big difference. Intent or no, dogs and human beings are different. I'm not saying Donte deserved two years, because I don't think he did. I was worried about what was going to happen to him after this came to pass, but I think he deserves more than 24 days, regardless of how much Vick deserved.

FTR, I think Vick has served his time and should be allowed to play and earn a living in the NFL this year. Everybody deserves a second chance.

At least we agree on that.

[deaduck]

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Did you see the Hbo story real sports did on horse racing I imagine not. They had vids where guy were trying to slice the horses throat but kept missing the vital organ. They also showed vids where they took hand guns and attempted to shoot them in the head often missing before they hit flush.

Naw, I read a couple of reports and brother is big on racing and knows some track veterinarians.

The HBO peice was sensation over substance. Exsanguination (bleeding out) is the secondary approach to the primary Euthanasia. The hand gun thing is a wonderful example of horse safety over human. If the horse is struggling enough to make a gun hard to use, what makes anybody think hooking a I.V or approach for a shot is a good idea.

[Jukeman]

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Bad example.

When a horse breaks a leg, the chances of recovery are practically nil due to the horses metabolism and structure.

And this is where animal rights and the squeamish get it all wrong...a head shot was the quickest/cleanest kill but "uproar" goaded them into the lethal injection shot technique which causes MORE suffering before it kills.

Horse leg wouldnt have been broken if he wasnt racing....

Ala the death of PITBULLS who were fighting WHICH THEY WERE oringinally BRED TO DO BTW, ala HORSES NOW....

Im not supporting of defending dog fighting because Im not into that kind of sport....however dogfighting been around for AGES and pitbulls were creating for the sport of dog fighting overseas....Some poeple act the guy was attacking all dogs around the world, but I understand we Americans have a love for dogs....its pretty much nothing but bias IMO....

The best example of our bias is....go ask a random why Vick did time, I bet they answer dog fighting...