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Defense plays a huge role in every good QB's wins. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning wouldn't win **** if not for their defense. So if you want to talk about flawed logic, look no further than the "Ben's defense carries him" stupidity, because that's honestly what it is. It's just blind hate to try and discredit a guy.Comment
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Meanwhile, the Steelers D got torched in the SB last year. But Ben Roethlisberger won the game. Weird how that works.Comment
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And he won nothing until his defense stepped up. What was the constant factor in all Peyton Manning playoff games? Peyton Manning losing. Then his D plays out of their minds for one postseason, and they get to play Rex Grossman in the SB, and they win. Peyton didn't even play well in that postseason.
Meanwhile, the Steelers D got torched in the SB last year. But Ben Roethlisberger won the game. Weird how that works.
And Ben only got 27 on an average (at best) defense.
It is weird, isn't it.
EDIT: And 7 of those points for the Steelers go to James Harrison. I totally forgot about that.Last edited by mKoz26; 09-13-2009, 02:02 AM.Bears | Bulls | Cubs | Illinois | #Team3Some
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Originally posted by baumy300Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...Comment
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Oh, so now he should of put up more points? That's fair. See, it doesn't matter what he does, there's always going to be the people who want to hate for no particular reason. So they just find dumb reasons to try and discredit a guy.Comment
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Okay, you're done. Good night.Bears | Bulls | Cubs | Illinois | #Team3Some
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Originally posted by baumy300Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...Comment
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And he won nothing until his defense stepped up. What was the constant factor in all Peyton Manning playoff games? Peyton Manning losing. Then his D plays out of their minds for one postseason, and they get to play Rex Grossman in the SB, and they win. Peyton didn't even play well in that postseason.Indianapolis Colts
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Now that your point is ruined, I'm a "*****".
Okay, you're done. Good night.
He wins the game without his defense playing well, and it's "He didn't score enough points"....really? Do you not see the stupidity of that?
And that's exactly why people discredit Big Ben. His defense has been elite since he came into the league. What's the main factor in Championship teams? Defense. It always has been. This is all speculation, but can you honestly sit here and tell me that Peyton or Brees or McNabb or any other good QB wouldn't have more SB rings if they had the Steelers D?Comment
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All you did was prove my point, that you have no legitimate reason to discredit him, other than he doesn't put up fantasy stats, even though he has before, and could if the Steelers were that kind of team.
He wins the game without his defense playing well, and it's "He didn't score enough points"....really? Do you not see the stupidity of that?
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Oh, and nice created quote there. Did I say he didn't score enough points? No. But I'm telling you right now, Ben's 20 points were not showing of an elite status, unless you are a blind homer.Bears | Bulls | Cubs | Illinois | #Team3Some
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2003 Chargers Defense was ranked 27th.
2004 Chargers Defense was ranked 18th.
2005 Chargers Defense was ranked 13th.
GREAT defenses!
You're killing your credibility, man.
EDIT: Don't forget about Donovan's 10th ranked defense in '04.Last edited by mKoz26; 09-13-2009, 02:44 AM.Bears | Bulls | Cubs | Illinois | #Team3Some
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Originally posted by baumy300Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...Comment
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What? First of all you didn't answer my question, you just bounced around it. And when did Brees ever have a "GREAT" defense in SD? His defense was ranked 30th in 02, 27th in 03, 18th in 04, and 13th in 05 which was his last year in SD. How in the hell is that great? McNabb's defense has been good throughout his career, but nothing like the Steelers D. And Peyton has had a top 10 defense like twice? Maybe? They've been completely average his whole career. Never did he have a consistently good defense that could actually win games for him like the Steelers D can. Now please, answer my question. Can you honestly tell me that those QB's wouldn't have more rings if they had the Steelers D?Indianapolis Colts
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First off, I don't care what number his defense ranked. When Merriman/Williams broke out, their D was TOUGH. They were stopping the run, they were getting tons of pressure, they were forcing turnovers, it was a very good defense and they could of won a championship with it. But go ahead, the stats on an internet page always tell the real story....to people who don't watch the games. You are the ones with the hypoctheticals of "If his defense wasn't so good..." when I gave you an example of his defense playing bad, and you discredit him for not scoring enough points, despite WINNING the game in the final minutes. Oh, and the game just so happens to be the SB.
Yes Revis, those QB's wouldn't have more rings on the Steelers defense, because none of them could play behind that line. Most QB's can't play when they're getting beat up like that, while Ben is the exception to the rule. He's found ways to win despite it. Peyton would NEVER win behind that line, never. He always gets rattled when he's getting pressure a lot.
I don't understand it. He needs to put up better fantasy stats to be in the same league as the best? He did that in 2007, and people still make the same claims about him. The guy has proven it time and time again that he can get it done like any QB out there.
I think it's just the case of Ben becoming the new media hype machine guy. Just like Brady and Peyton, there's always going to be the hate.Comment
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