Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

[Freelance]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Other than Ware and Ratliff, our front seven on defense just seems slow, like they can't get to the quarterback in time. They are frequently getting close, but have never quite gotten home in the two games we've played. Without a good pass rush, our secondary, which features one good corner, two second-year corners and two average to above-average safeties, will suffer tremendously, as they did last night.

On the plus side, maybe this will help us a little bit in Ware's contract negotiations... :-\

Greg Ellis 3 sacks, Cowboys 0

I miss Ellis.

[Hooe]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Greg Ellis 3 sacks, Cowboys 0

I miss Ellis.

He's certainly proving us wrong in our decision to go with Anthony Spencer so far. Spencer's silence on the stat sheet has been deafening.

[grunt]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Greg Ellis 3 sacks, Cowboys 0

I miss Ellis.

Did you miss him when he was leaving? There was some calling him a cry baby and TO defender.

[grunt]

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He's certainly proving us wrong in our decision to go with Anthony Spencer so far. Spencer's silence on the stat sheet has been deafening.

You know that crazy Al Davis doesn't know anything about football. Spencer never showed he had a pass russ great against the run but why would we think that he was going to be the next one.

[JBH3]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Romo is still an up and comer. McNabb has had MANY, MANY games like what Romo threw out there yesterday. I've seen games when McNabb couldn't complete a simple swing pass.

I actually am not that concerned about Romo. I'm far more worried about our anemic pass rush so far.

Fine. Guess time will just have to prove you wrong, because you're obviously seeing different performances than I am.

...and as I know how McNabb has had his struggles, he's also done far more, w/ far less (years where James Thrash was our #1)... But that's probably his fault because he had a better coach?

How is it excuse talk if it's actually looking at the game, disecting matchups, plays & personel?

Clearly had the Cowboys not made so many turnovers they would have a better shot at winning. That's not subjective, that's real, I dont' know what the percantage is anymore but winning a game with 4+ turnovers is nearly impossible. I'm sure the winning percentage is less than 25%.

The Cowboys needed more pressure on the QB. That's not subjective or opinion, the team had 0 sacks. You can't stop the pass if you don't either A) stop the throw or B) stop the catch. The defense had more sacks than any other team in the NFL last year, this year they have none in two games. Obviously this has lent a major hand in their piss poor secondary.

The Cowboys needed to continue to run the ball. That's not an excuse either. 250 yards at 8.7 YPRush is a number you just can't downplay, especially with a Giants defense that was missing both Canty & Tuck. Had the Cowboys ran more, they would have taken the ball out of Romo's hands, not forced 3 & Outs, kept the Giants offense off the field, etc.

I'm not really sure what your purpose is on this discussion thread other than take cuts at another team. I don't mind a good ribbing, jabbing, heck, even ripping a team apart but when someone clearly has nothing of actual substance to which to lend credibility to their critique then really what is the point of even saying anything?

Those are all excuses. Turnovers are part of the game. You make them, and then don't get them...you lose. No excuse about that. Your QB or RB couldn't keep possession, the Giants team did, and you lose. Any "what if" or pointing to this as your reason for a loss is making an excuse for your team. It's all part of the game, some teams are good at attacking on both sides, others aren't, and look to make excuses. It's been the excuse of Redskins fans for year because they rarely ever have had an opportunistic defense (however they're looking better this year, as they've gotten turnovers in both games so far).

What I hold issue w/ is that the general sentiment here still seems to be that the Cowboys are the better team, albeit losing, and losing at home, but ONLY because they shot themselves in the foot - basically giving the sense they LET the Giants win this one.

Well...if they're the better team they wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot right?

If you're not making an excuse for poor QB play costing you the game (3 INTs), you're making an excuse for the coaching (not running the ball)...

When in fact you ran the ball 29 times and only had success on 7 or 8 carries; that's how many running plays resulted in a gain over 10 yards.

I think your offensive coord. understood that it wasn't likely to see another 35 yd gain here, or another 56 gain there and needed his QUARTERBACK to make plays for Dallas...NOT NY.

Here they are:

27 yds - Barber 1st Qtr
20 yds - End/Around 2nd Qtr
24 yds - Jones 3rd Qtr
56 yds - Jones 3rd Qtr
15 yds - Barber 3rd Qtr
10 yds - Barber 3rd Qtr
11 yds - Barber 4th Qtr
35 yds - Barber 4th Qtr

So less than half of your running plays went for anything significant, which put you in positions to have to pass. Again...Dallas needed Romo to make plays, and he did...for New York.

...See it's only "trolling" because you all are unwilling to accept the sound defeat of your football team, and you want ME to come in here and be all..."tough loss"..."get'em next time". When you haven't shown any reason to warrant that support from anyone.

[ANDROMADA 1]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Fine. Guess time will just have to prove you wrong, because you're obviously seeing different performances than I am.

...and as I know how McNabb has had his struggles, he's also done far more, w/ far less (years where James Thrash was our #1)... But that's probably his fault because he had a better coach?



Those are all excuses. Turnovers are part of the game. You make them, and then don't get them...you lose. No excuse about that. Your QB or RB couldn't keep possession, the Giants team did, and you lose. Any "what if" or pointing to this as your reason for a loss is making an excuse for your team.

The general sentiment here still seems to be that the Cowboys are the better team, albeit losing, but because they shot themselves in the foot.

Well...if they're the better team they wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot right?

If you're not making an excuse for poor QB play costing you the game (3 INTs), you're making an excuse for the coaching (not running the ball)...

When in fact you ran the ball 29 times and only had success on 7 or 8 carries; that's how many running plays resulted in a gain over 10 yards.

I think your offensive coord. understood that it wasn't likely to see another 35 yd gain here, or another 56 gain there and needed his QUARTERBACK to make plays for Dallas...NOT NY.

Here they are:

27 yds - Barber 1st Qtr
20 yds - End/Around 2nd Qtr
24 yds - Jones 3rd Qtr
56 yds - Jones 3rd Qtr
15 yds - Barber 3rd Qtr
10 yds - Barber 3rd Qtr
11 yds - Barber 4th Qtr
35 yds - Barber 4th Qtr

So less than half of your running plays went for anything significant. Again...Dallas needed Romo to make plays, and he did...for New York.

See it's only "trolling" because you all are unwilling to accept the sound defeat of your football team, and you want ME to come in here and be all...tough loss...get'em next time. When you haven't shown any reason to warrant that support from anyone.

Not even close to being a sound defeat.The cowboys have the same record as the Defending SB champions.I guess losing by a field goal in the final seconds is the "New" standard for getting Beat "soundly"....lol

[JBH3]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Not even close to being a sound defeat.The cowboys have the same record as the Defending SB champions.I guess losing by a field goal in the final seconds is the "New" standard for getting Beat "soundly"....lol

Aside from some 7 or 8 rushing plays which put you in a position to score you were more/less stifled, and you couldn't get to Eli Manning and couldn't get the Giants to turn it over so yea...I think you were beat pretty soundly in your home opener. Eli could go anywhere he wanted w/ the ball, as he targeted Manningham/Smith 26 times for 20 receptions and 284 yds.

So the Giants offense beat the Cowboys defense soundly? Is that better for ya?

But once again...continue to make excuses or ignore your failures becaue the Cowboys are clearly the better team.

[steelcurtain311]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

How is it excuse talk if it's actually looking at the game, disecting matchups, plays & personel?

Clearly had the Cowboys not made so many turnovers they would have a better shot at winning. That's not subjective, that's real, I dont' know what the percantage is anymore but winning a game with 4+ turnovers is nearly impossible. I'm sure the winning percentage is less than 25%.

The Cowboys needed more pressure on the QB. That's not subjective or opinion, the team had 0 sacks. You can't stop the pass if you don't either A) stop the throw or B) stop the catch. The defense had more sacks than any other team in the NFL last year, this year they have none in two games. Obviously this has lent a major hand in their piss poor secondary.

The Cowboys needed to continue to run the ball. That's not an excuse either. 250 yards at 8.7 YPRush is a number you just can't downplay, especially with a Giants defense that was missing both Canty & Tuck. Had the Cowboys ran more, they would have taken the ball out of Romo's hands, not forced 3 & Outs, kept the Giants offense off the field, etc.

I'm not really sure what your purpose is on this discussion thread other than take cuts at another team. I don't mind a good ribbing, jabbing, heck, even ripping a team apart but when someone clearly has nothing of actual substance to which to lend credibility to their critique then really what is the point of even saying anything?

To be fair, they did pretty much take it out of Romo's hands. He just has a knack for throwing the dumb INT at the worst times. When you run all over a team like that, your QB should be able to complete passes and move the ball without turning it over so frequently. It's much easier to get open with the threat of a run, you can make safer and more manageable throws, but Romo doesn't do that. It's like he picks the worst possible throw, and then attempts to make it, and does so poorly, resulting in an INT.

You can say Dallas D cost them the game, but when you're up late and boneheaded turnovers keep the other team in the game, that plays a big part.

[grunt]

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Romo played poorly and that is my concern. We need to cut the field down for Romo because his reads are poor. I am not talking about the ints but his whole game. The last int was a man cover 1 and he just threw directly to Kenny. No excuse how bad and mean TO made him force balls into coverages he throw ball into covreages because he make poor reads.

Solution is to cut the field for his reads and run, run, and run and play action and hope for the best. Romo isn't a playmaker and need simple reads to be effective. This is not based off this year but the last few.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Aside from some 7 or 8 rushing plays which put you in a position to score you were more/less stifled, and you couldn't get to Eli Manning and couldn't get the Giants to turn it over so yea...I think you were beat pretty soundly in your home opener.

But once again...continue to make excuses or ignore your failures becaue the Cowboys are clearly the better team.

lol...you can't call yourself "unbiased" and make comments like that and expect to be taken seriously.

Yes the Cowboys lost to a more disciplined and consistent team. No dispute. I also agree with your earlier point that turnovers are a part of the game and the Cowboys commit too many and don't create enough from opponents. That's been a problem for awhile now...they're a sloppy football team.

To say they got beaten "soundly" when it took a 4th quarter drive by a very good QB to beat them by 2 doesn't compute. If the Giants were as better than the Cowboys as some people claim, then it wouldn't have taken 4 Cowboys turnovers to put them up. The Cowboys lost, and deservedly so, but lets not pretend the Giants came in and manhandled them or something...lol.

I think the reason you see some optimism in that loss (in certain fans) is that it's not like the Giant's D forced those turnovers. EVERY one was off of a bad play by the Cowboys. Romo was off all night, overthrowing receivers quite a bit. The fumble was a ball that was jarred loose on a pretty routine hit.

It's not to say that there is any evidence that the Cowboys are the better team (I know some here suggest that)...they would have taken better care of the ball and played better defense if they were. It's just to point out the defeat was far from "sound" and these teams are still relatively close (with the advantage swung towards the Giants, I would agree).

I think what you can take from this game (other than the obvious fact that the Giants are leading as many thought they would) is that these NFC East teams aren't as separated as some would like to believe. They all have relatively the same makeup as the last couple years, which means (barring injury) that it should be a fight to the end.

[Hooe]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

lol...you can't call yourself "unbiased" and make comments like that and expect to be taken seriously.

Yes the Cowboys lost to a more disciplined and consistent team. No dispute. I also agree with your earlier point that turnovers are a part of the game and the Cowboys commit too many and don't create enough from opponents. That's been a problem for awhile now...they're a sloppy football team.

To say they got beaten "soundly" when it took a 4th quarter drive by a very good QB to beat them by 2 doesn't compute. If the Giants were as better than the Cowboys as some people claim, then it wouldn't have taken 4 Cowboys turnovers to put them up. The Cowboys lost, and deservedly so, but lets not pretend the Giants came in and manhandled them or something...lol.

I think the reason you see some optimism in that loss (in certain fans) is that it's not like the Giant's D forced those turnovers. EVERY one was off of a bad play by the Cowboys. Romo was off all night, overthrowing receivers quite a bit. The fumble was a ball that was jarred loose on a pretty routine hit.

It's not to say that there is any evidence that the Cowboys are the better team (I know some here suggest that)...they would have taken better care of the ball and played better defense if they were. It's just to point out the defeat was far from "sound" and these teams are still relatively close (with the advantage swung towards the Giants, I would agree).

I think what you can take from this game (other than the obvious fact that the Giants are leading as many thought they would) is that these NFC East teams aren't as separated as some would like to believe. They all have relatively the same makeup as the last couple years, which means (barring injury) that it should be a fight to the end.

Probably the most reasonable post regarding the game in this thread, and with regard to the game I agree with this on all counts.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Romo played poorly and that is my concern. We need to cut the field down for Romo because his reads are poor. I am not talking about the ints but his whole game. The last int was a man cover 1 and he just threw directly to Kenny. No excuse how bad and mean TO made him force balls into coverages he throw ball into covreages because he make poor reads.

Solution is to cut the field for his reads and run, run, and run and play action and hope for the best. Romo isn't a playmaker and need simple reads to be effective. This is not based off this year but the last few.

I somewhat disagree. I don't think his reads were the main problem last night. He made some bad ones, no doubt, but it seems like it was his accuracy/touch that was off all night. He was overthrowing receivers on good reads too. He was just off all night and flat out bad.

I actually think it's to his advantage to give him the whole field to work with as he's tended to play better when he doesn't limit his reads (like when they were keyed in on Witten and Owens all game...lol).

His issues come from trying to make too many plays. He reminds me a lot of Favre in that respect, but without the physical tools which makes it more dangerous. He needs to take better care of the ball, but I doubt that's going to improve much based on his natural impulsiveness. Maybe if he had a coaching staff that would hold him accountable, but who knows.

[WeLLWeLL]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

lol...you can't call yourself "unbiased" and make comments like that and expect to be taken seriously.

Yes the Cowboys lost to a more disciplined and consistent team. No dispute. I also agree with your earlier point that turnovers are a part of the game and the Cowboys commit too many and don't create enough from opponents. That's been a problem for awhile now...they're a sloppy football team.

To say they got beaten "soundly" when it took a 4th quarter drive by a very good QB to beat them by 2 doesn't compute. If the Giants were as better than the Cowboys as some people claim, then it wouldn't have taken 4 Cowboys turnovers to put them up. The Cowboys lost, and deservedly so, but lets not pretend the Giants came in and manhandled them or something...lol.

I think the reason you see some optimism in that loss (in certain fans) is that it's not like the Giant's D forced those turnovers. EVERY one was off of a bad play by the Cowboys. Romo was off all night, overthrowing receivers quite a bit. The fumble was a ball that was jarred loose on a pretty routine hit.

It's not to say that there is any evidence that the Cowboys are the better team (I know some here suggest that)...they would have taken better care of the ball and played better defense if they were. It's just to point out the defeat was far from "sound" and these teams are still relatively close (with the advantage swung towards the Giants, I would agree).

I think what you can take from this game (other than the obvious fact that the Giants are leading as many thought they would) is that these NFC East teams aren't as separated as some would like to believe. They all have relatively the same makeup as the last couple years, which means (barring injury) that it should be a fight to the end.

Well said.

[JBH3]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

lol...you can't call yourself "unbiased" and make comments like that and expect to be taken seriously.

Yes the Cowboys lost to a more disciplined and consistent team. No dispute. I also agree with your earlier point that turnovers are a part of the game and the Cowboys commit too many and don't create enough from opponents. That's been a problem for awhile now...they're a sloppy football team.

To say they got beaten "soundly" when it took a 4th quarter drive by a very good QB to beat them by 2 doesn't compute. If the Giants were as better than the Cowboys as some people claim, then it wouldn't have taken 4 Cowboys turnovers to put them up. The Cowboys lost, and deservedly so, but lets not pretend the Giants came in and manhandled them or something...lol.

Again...Aside from some 7 or 8 rushing plays which put Dallas in a position to score they were more/less stifled, and Dallas couldn't get to Eli Manning and couldn't get the Giants to turn it over so yea...I think they were beat pretty soundly...I dunno maybe it's a poor choice of words to some.

Eli went where ever he wanted to w/ the ball, and although the final score shows a 2 pt differential the Giants commanded the ball on that 4th qtr drive and Dallas couldn't do a damn thing. Taking the ball down the field like that shows a pretty sound defeat...at least in that possession, in a make it or break it time of the game.

...Playing devil's advocate like these Cowboys fans... if there isn't a 56 yd gain from Felix Jones here, and a 24 yd gain there or a 35 yd gain here or a 27 yd gain there by Barber than the Cowboys are doing little to nothing on offense.

Romo didn't do anything he otherwise wasn't capable of doing. He can get himself into horrible situations w/ his poor reads and risk taking....he proved that again last night.

...and for the silver lining that Dallas wants to look to...next game NY could be healthy w/ a Chris Canty who plays, a Justin Tuck who plays all 4 qtrs (whose absence allowed for some of those big gains), and an Aaron Ross who can contribute as well.

With the Giants beat up a little bit on one side of the ball this was Dallas' prime chance to take a win and they didn't, and allowed NY to move the ball at will.

What's not sound about that?

[ANDROMADA 1]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

Aside from some 7 or 8 rushing plays which put you in a position to score you were more/less stifled, and you couldn't get to Eli Manning and couldn't get the Giants to turn it over so yea...I think you were beat pretty soundly in your home opener. Eli could go anywhere he wanted w/ the ball, as he targeted Manningham/Smith 26 times for 20 receptions and 284 yds.

So the Giants offense beat the Cowboys defense soundly? Is that better for ya?

But once again...continue to make excuses or ignore your failures becaue the Cowboys are clearly the better team.

No,I hardly call 4 turnovers excuses either.The only thing Better in NY is the Coaching and we already knew that.Your Dang right the Cowboys are clearly the Better team.Also you can stop wasting your time with all those meaningless "stats"250 yard is 250 yards no matter how you get them.Next you'll tell me Frank Gore and Chris Johnson should have their Long TD runs discounted because we all know it was luck and anybody can rip off 90,79,80,60,Yard runs....But lets just look at the runs that went for less than 2 yards...You're funny.