Pro Bowl Selections

[jeremym480]

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Second straight year not one Bengal made the pro bowl. I can understand last year but this year are you serious?

Which Bengal should have made it?

[eXperiment63]

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Welker is the Pete Rose of WR's. Tons of chances make him appear better than he really is. Moss or Vincent Jackson are better players.

I LOVE this quote... He gets so many extra chances because NOBODY can cover him! If you're open every down, you're gonna get thrown the ball a lot. He makes his own extra chances, nobody else.

[SportsTop]

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I LOVE this quote... He gets so many extra chances because NOBODY can cover him! If you're open every down, you're gonna get thrown the ball a lot. He makes his own extra chances, nobody else.

And it can be argued that Moss pulls a lot of the attention (to the tune of the safeties) towards him which leaves Welker matched up in single coverage on a nickelback or even LB.

Welker has only blown up once he arrived in New England the same year as Moss.

Credit to Moss.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I LOVE this quote... He gets so many extra chances because NOBODY can cover him! If you're open every down, you're gonna get thrown the ball a lot. He makes his own extra chances, nobody else.

He gets so many extra chances because no one CARES about covering him. Every DC in the league would trade 12 receptions for Welker for under 4 by Randy Moss. Welker is the most overrated player in the NFL. There are @ least 10, maybe 20 wideouts better than Welker. The guy has 1 TD for every 30 receptions.

[Vince]

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Then why doesn't Kevin Walter get 120 catches per season.

A player people always used to call the Wes Welker of Houston.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Then why doesn't Kevin Walter get 120 catches per season.

A player people always used to call the Wes Welker of Houston.

Cause maybe they play in different styled offenses & Walter isn't as good as Welker? Your point does nothing to prove Welker is one of the top 10 WR's. The NYG's based their defense on letting Welker catch whatever he wanted, just keep Moss in check. & the Pats scored just 14 pts.

No one in the NFL is scared of Welker. DC"s will center their gameplan on Moss, Andre Johnson, Dexter Jackson, Wayne, Marshall, Fitz, Smith. They don't give a flip about Welker.

[shnuskis]

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48 Tackles, 11 Sacks, 2 Passes Defended. Not sure if he is going in as a OLB or DE. I think his nod to the pro bowl is an ode to the fact that he will be DROY this year too. (I think)

Nice season by Orakpo, but I don't think this has much to do with DROY. Different people doing the selecting and Pro Bowl voting is slanted to not include late season performances as much. I think Clay Mathews has as good a chance at DROY.

[N51_rob]

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Nice season by Orakpo, but I don't think this has much to do with DROY. Different people doing the selecting and Pro Bowl voting is slanted to not include late season performances as much. I think Clay Mathews has as good a chance at DROY.

It has nothing to do with DROY, but seeing how he was the only rookie selected it can't hurt his chances. I naturally see him as the DROY, but I'm a skins fan so I'm probably looking through maroon colored glasses.

[ANDROMADA 1]

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I honestly would say either is deserving but Witten beats Gonzo in every stat except TDs where we know Dallas uses him as a blocker more than a receiving threat. On top of that, he is the main cog in the offense, take out Witten & there is a huge dropoff in everything the Cowboys can do in terms of protection, passing & running... heck, even the entire offensive scheme would change. Not trying to start a debate but if you have to choose one, you can make a very strong case that the Cowboys are a mere shell of their team without Witten while the Falcons proved last year they can move the ball without Gonzo.

Witten is better right now.

[Cebby]

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He gets so many extra chances because no one CARES about covering him. Every DC in the league would trade 12 receptions for Welker for under 4 by Randy Moss. Welker is the most overrated player in the NFL. There are @ least 10, maybe 20 wideouts better than Welker. The guy has 1 TD for every 30 receptions.

Yeah, Welker making the Pro Bowl over Moss the last two years has been silly to me.

Sure Welker may put up slightly better numbers, but take Welker off the team and add any decent WR and they'll do a lot better replacing Welker than another Welker would do replacing Moss.

[Beantown]

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As a Patriot fan...I completely disagree. Without Welker, this offense runs no where near as smoothly. Welker may not have the best skill set and clearly isn't as physically gifted, but he is absolutely perfect for the Patriots offense. Teams gameplan on Moss and can't cover Welker. It's not that they "refuse" to cover him, he just has a knack for getting open.

Oh, and calling him "the most overrated player in the league" is hysterical. Welker is never considered one of the best receivers in the league, is never talked about in the same breath as Fitz, Johnson, Moss, Wayne, etc.....so how is he overrated? He's hands down the best #2/slot receiver in the league and that should not even be an arguable fact.

[elgreazy1]

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Witten is better right now.

Agreed. Probably the best all around TE in the league for the past few seasons. He may not get the TD numbers but he's indespensible for the offense: blocking, catching, motioning to create mismatches, finding soft spots on 3rd downs, etc he does it all. When you have a guy who can make LBs look silly covering him, Safeties look like kids trying to tackle him and DEs getting pancaked/shoved out of the way on runs you really have a special player.

[elgreazy1]

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As a Patriot fan...I completely disagree. Without Welker, this offense runs no where near as smoothly. Welker may not have the best skill set and clearly isn't as physically gifted, but he is absolutely perfect for the Patriots offense. Teams gameplan on Moss and can't cover Welker. It's not that they "refuse" to cover him, he just has a knack for getting open.

Oh, and calling him "the most overrated player in the league" is hysterical. Welker is never considered one of the best receivers in the league, is never talked about in the same breath as Fitz, Johnson, Moss, Wayne, etc.....so how is he overrated? He's hands down the best #2/slot receiver in the league and that should not even be an arguable fact.

I would never go so far as to state that he's over-rated but you can't discount what Edelman was able to do during Welker's absense due to injury. At some point there is a line where Welker is THAT good and where having a great system & Moss helps. Regardless, I'd take Welker on my team any day; the guy is just tough & a hard-nosed player.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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As a Patriot fan...I completely disagree. Without Welker, this offense runs no where near as smoothly. Welker may not have the best skill set and clearly isn't as physically gifted, but he is absolutely perfect for the Patriots offense. Teams gameplan on Moss and can't cover Welker. It's not that they "refuse" to cover him, he just has a knack for getting open.

Yes, he's perfect for the Pats offense. If he was a great NFL WR, he could put up great numbers in any offense, not just NE's. That's the point. He wouldn't. The guy is Ricky Proehl.

Oh, and calling him "the most overrated player in the league" is hysterical. Welker is never considered one of the best receivers in the league, is never talked about in the same breath as Fitz, Johnson, Moss, Wayne, etc.....so how is he overrated? He's hands down the best #2/slot receiver in the league and that should not even be an arguable fact.

Evidently he is considered among the best since he made the Pro Bowl over the likes of Moss, OchoCinco & Vincent Jackson.

[Beantown]

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Evidently he is considered among the best since he made the Pro Bowl over the likes of Moss, OchoCinco & Vincent Jackson.

What's the argument for any of those three over Welker? More TDs? Is that it?