Pro Bowl Selections

[Gibbz]

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Yeah I actually like Peppers but he has too many games where you don't even remember him being on the field.

Peppers still seems capable of taking over games when he wants to. If he had a constantly working motor he'd be unblockable.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Welker is far from overrated, he does benefit from the scheme he's in, but so do plenty of other great players, including his teammate Moss, who didn't do so hot in Oakland. It doesn't matter how talented a player is, if the scheme and playcalling suck, not many players can overcome that, I know first hand as a Redskin fan. You can't punish Welker for flourishing in an offense that perfectly suits his abilities.

Who's punishing him? I never said he wasn't a good player. I said he's not a great player. He's a B player that plays in a system that allows him to put up A numbers. He wouldn't touch a 1000 yds in any other system w/the exception of NO & Indy.

Based on the fact he has more TDs? Or are you supporting voting in players simply based on their names?

Again, he leads the league in catches and yards per game, and is second in receiving yards. And he doesn't get touchdowns because of Moss being on the other side and being the main red zone threat.

Moss is a better receiver, but Welker is having a better year.

I think that's a poor excuse for the lack of scores. He makes his living under 15 yds from scrimmage does he not? The red zone would seem to be perfect place for him to operate. But once they get closer & defenses now pay attention to him, guess what? Saying he's having a better year than Moss based simply on the # of catches is like saying Pete Rose is the best ever because he leads the team in at-bats.

Getting open is only part of it. Its what you do w/the ball afterward.

[jeremym480]

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Who's punishing him? I never said he wasn't a good player. I said he's not a great player. He's a B player that plays in a system that allows him to put up A numbers. He wouldn't touch a 1000 yds in any other system w/the exception of NO & Indy.
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Aww come on now. He put up like 600-700 yards when he was on a crappy Miami team a few years back.

[Beantown]

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Getting open is only part of it. Its what you do w/the ball afterward.

You mean like being #2 in yards after catch?

I still don't understand why he isn't deserving to be in the Pro Bowl this season.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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You mean like being #2 in yards after catch?

I still don't understand why he isn't deserving to be in the Pro Bowl this season.

Which again comes from so many catches the D allows him, because they know he's not going to hurt them badly. You catch the ball alot, you get yds. What are his YAC per reception in comparison to others?

If you still don't see it, then that's your opinion. I think I've given many reasons for why I think he doesn't deserve it over 3 other wideouts. He's slightly above average. Move him off the Pats, he'll get 50 catches for 600 yds.

[Beantown]

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Which again comes from so many catches the D allows him, because they know he's not going to hurt them badly. You catch the ball alot, you get yds. What are his YAC per reception in comparison to others?

I'm an English major so my math skills aren't that good, but a simple yards after catch divided by number of catches produces these numbers:

Welker - 4.7
Marshall - 4.5
A. Johnson - 4.5
Moss - 3.6
Ochocinco - 3.0
V. Jackson - 2.6

Welker is more dangerous once he gets the ball than most receivers. The others...particularly Moss, Ocho, and Jackson...do most of their damage on the deep ball.

[Cebby]

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I'm an English major so my math skills aren't that good, but a simple yards after catch divided by number of catches produces these numbers:

Welker - 4.7
Marshall - 4.5
A. Johnson - 4.5
Moss - 3.6
Ochocinco - 3.0
V. Jackson - 2.6

Welker is more dangerous once he gets the ball than most receivers. The others...particularly Moss, Ocho, and Jackson...do most of their damage on the deep ball.

He's not "more dangerous" than anyone, he just catches the ball on very short routes.

He has the worst "yards per catch" of any WR until Davone Bess, and the lowest YPC of anyone in the top 23 of receiving yards.

[eXperiment63]

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Yep... Welker makes his living in the danger zone. I don't think I've ever seen a WR get lit up as much as he does. Yet he just gets back up and does it again. People are saying he lives in the middle like that's a knock on him. It means he gets his *** hit hard on every single play, yet continues to dominate and do it over and over and over and over.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yep... Welker makes his living in the danger zone. I don't think I've ever seen a WR get lit up as much as he does. Yet he just gets back up and does it again. People are saying he lives in the middle like that's a knock on him. It means he gets his *** hit hard on every single play, yet continues to dominate and do it over and over and over and over.

Agreed. He basically doing what maybe half of those WRs mentioned won't do which is why I don't understand where this "Welker is overrated" mess is coming from.

Oh and as for Mr. Orakpo, I hope he's flying out both of Oakland's Tackles for allowing him to go to Miami this year.

[SportsTop]

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I don't think Welker is overrated or doesn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl However, I also don't think he'd be in this position without Randy Moss.

Does anyone know if stats are kept on how often a receiver lines up at the X, Y, and Z positions?

[ANDROMADA 1]

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I like Welker. He's a tough player.He deserves the spot.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Yep... Welker makes his living in the danger zone. I don't think I've ever seen a WR get lit up as much as he does. Yet he just gets back up and does it again. People are saying he lives in the middle like that's a knock on him. It means he gets his *** hit hard on every single play, yet continues to dominate and do it over and over and over and over.

Which is to his credit. Good for him. I don't down him for doing his job.

He doesn't deserve credit for being one of the top 8 wideouts, just because he gets alot of chances. Everyone who thinks he should be, should be up in arms every year when the TxT QB isn't an all-American.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Which is to his credit. Good for him. I don't down him for doing his job.

He doesn't deserve credit for being one of the top 8 wideouts, just because he gets alot of chances. Everyone who thinks he should be, should be up in arms every year when the TxT QB isn't an all-American.

I don't know man. Every 3rd down, teams key in on Welker because they know it's going to him, but he's just so smart about his routes. He's almost undefendable.

[SportsTop]

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I don't know man. Every 3rd down, teams key in on Welker because they know it's going to him, but he's just so smart about his routes. He's almost undefendable.

It may seem like that but it isn't the case. Welker isn't even in the top 20 in % First Downs/Rececption or % First Downs/Target.

Of his 122 receptions, only 5 (20th overall) were for a 1st down on 3rd and 7 or greater and he's tied for 16th overall for catches (17 receptions) on overall 3rd down that made a 1st down.

Throw in the fact that he only has 4 TDs and all he's really used as is just an extension of the running game (not saying it's his fault or that he's bad at it). It is what it is.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I don't know man. Every 3rd down, teams key in on Welker because they know it's going to him, but he's just so smart about his routes. He's almost undefendable.

Agreed. He's good. At the limited role he is given.

The others do alot more when their number is called. That's all I'm saying. He's a specialist. He's Mariano Rivera. Rivera is the best short reliever out there. But he is far from the best pitcher in the game.

If they are going to have a catergory for short yardage WR's, by all means, put him in. But the Pro Bowl isn't suppossed to vote on specialists. Its the best @ the position. Not the best @ a role. & Welker is by no means 10th, maybe not even 15th best, at the position.