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  • MassNole
    Banned
    • Mar 2006
    • 18848

    #46
    Re: Best runningback of all time

    You know I am.

    As electrifying as Barry Sanders was in Detroit, he lacked the "it" factor to raise his team to the next level. Emmitt Smith did not lack that "it" factor, which puts him above Sanders. As you said earlier people make it sound like Sanders was surrounded by a bunch of HS kids when in reality he was surrounded by a really good offense with a upper tier OL. Sure it was not Dallas' OL, but it may have been the second or third best in the NFC at the time behind maybe San Francisco. I also believe Sanders running style would not have worked as well in Dallas and I can't look past Sanders being the NFL career leader in rushing attempts for a loss.

    As for Walter Payton, again he didn't have that it factor Smith had. And yes he does have a SB, but well that was all on Buddy Ryan's 4-6 Defense, not being carried by Payton. Now unlike Smith or Sanders, Payton was in fact surrounded by an awful offense most of his career but that cuts both ways, he got more touches because he was the entire offense but he was the focus of the defense.

    The only other RB I'd have in the discussion is Jim Brown and I never saw him play and won't begin to compare those eras of the NFL. So when I say the G.O.A.T., I refer to the Super Bowl era NFL and I'd say there is no debate Jim Brown is the G.O.A.T. of the NFL's pre-Super Bowl era.

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    • coogrfan
      In Fritz We Trust
      • Jul 2002
      • 15645

      #47
      Re: Best runningback of all time

      I voted for Jim Brown.

      9 NFL seasons = 9 Pro Bowls, 8 times selected 1st team All-Pro ( in '62 Brown had to settle for 2nd team All-Pro ); 3 time league MVP; averaged 5+ yards/carry and 100+ yds/gm for his career; retired while still in his prime as the NFL's all-time leading rusher, a record he held for 21 years...all this while never missing a single start.

      Brown is not merely the greatest rb, he's the greatest player in NFL history.
      Last edited by coogrfan; 06-16-2010, 12:13 PM.

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      • deaduck
        MVP
        • Mar 2009
        • 2389

        #48
        Re: Best runningback of all time

        Originally posted by CW McGraw
        I like Walter Payton. He was just as consistent and durable as Emmit, but did it on really bad teams for a lot of his career. On top of that, he was just such a well rounded back. He really had no weakness in his game. He could get the tough yards. He was an awesome pass catcher.
        Pretty much how I voted...even if it comes off as a homer pick. Plus Payton was even a back up on the QB roster.

        I've only seen highlights of Brown who by the numbers makes a strong case but I just don't have enough to go on to personally say he's my favorite.

        Was a big fan of Barry Saunders, just fun to watch... even if I'm more a D guy and playing agianst him must have been a nightmare.

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        • Jahgee1124
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          • Apr 2010
          • 160

          #49
          Re: Best runningback of all time

          Bo knows, nuf said

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          • Rocky
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 6896

            #50
            Re: Best runningback of all time

            Originally posted by ZB9
            Barry Sanders is a GOAT, but do you think he would have fit in those Cowboys' power I run game?

            Emmitt was a chain mover and an all around back. He was the perfect fit for that scheme
            Barry Sanders rushed for 2,000 yards in Bobby Ross's Power I system. I played 2 years for Bobby Ross and in the exact same offense that Barry Sanders did. I know how the offense is and how little room there is for freelance.

            I don't think it's a stretch to say he would've had 3 or 4 2,000 seasons if he played with Cowboys. That's not to discredit Emmitt because he was pretty damn great too. But Barry is just almost in a class of his own. I can't think of one thing Emmitt Smith is even better at after watching them and studying closely.
            "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
            -Rocky Balboa

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            • CW McGraw
              MVP
              • Oct 2008
              • 1301

              #51
              Re: Best runningback of all time

              Originally posted by MassNole
              You know I am.

              As electrifying as Barry Sanders was in Detroit, he lacked the "it" factor to raise his team to the next level. Emmitt Smith did not lack that "it" factor, which puts him above Sanders. As you said earlier people make it sound like Sanders was surrounded by a bunch of HS kids when in reality he was surrounded by a really good offense with a upper tier OL. Sure it was not Dallas' OL, but it may have been the second or third best in the NFC at the time behind maybe San Francisco. I also believe Sanders running style would not have worked as well in Dallas and I can't look past Sanders being the NFL career leader in rushing attempts for a loss.
              I have to tackle this point. I'm going to assume "the 'it' factor" means "Emmit Smith won three championships."

              There's a reason why teams centered around feature RBs like OJ Simpson, Eric Dickerson, LT, and Curtis Martin never won championships, but Emmit Smith's Cowboys did. There is just no way for a RB who carries the ball 350 times a year to carry a team on his back against the best teams in the league. Typically, teams with awesome RBs base their entire offense around those amazing HOF RBs. For the regular season, the Cowboys were that type of team, but when the playoffs rolled around, Troy Aikman would take games over. There was no way to ever remove Emmit from the Cowboys offense, but during the playoffs, Aikman assumed a much larger role. When the Rams, Bills, or Lions tried to do that, they lost. Usually in embarrassing fashion.

              Besides the Lions utter lack of a legitimate playoff caliber QB for Sanders' entire career, the Lions were a top 10 defense once during Sanders career. But sure. The Lions lack of success was because Barry Sanders didn't have the "it" factor. Had absolutely nothing to do with their mediocre defenses and having Andre Ware and Scott Mitchell at QB.

              Furthermore, if you don't think Barry would've worked in the Cowboys offense, you think Emmit Smith would've lasted in the Run and Shoot?

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              • MassNole
                Banned
                • Mar 2006
                • 18848

                #52
                Re: Best runningback of all time

                Originally posted by CW McGraw
                I have to tackle this point. I'm going to assume "the 'it' factor" means "Emmit Smith won three championships."

                There's a reason why teams centered around feature RBs like OJ Simpson, Eric Dickerson, LT, and Curtis Martin never won championships, but Emmit Smith's Cowboys did. There is just no way for a RB who carries the ball 350 times a year to carry a team on his back against the best teams in the league. Typically, teams with awesome RBs base their entire offense around those amazing HOF RBs. For the regular season, the Cowboys were that type of team, but when the playoffs rolled around, Troy Aikman would take games over. There was no way to ever remove Emmit from the Cowboys offense, but during the playoffs, Aikman assumed a much larger role. When the Rams, Bills, or Lions tried to do that, they lost. Usually in embarrassing fashion.

                Besides the Lions utter lack of a legitimate playoff caliber QB for Sanders' entire career, the Lions were a top 10 defense once during Sanders career. But sure. The Lions lack of success was because Barry Sanders didn't have the "it" factor. Had absolutely nothing to do with their mediocre defenses and having Andre Ware and Scott Mitchell at QB.

                Furthermore, if you don't think Barry would've worked in the Cowboys offense, you think Emmit Smith would've lasted in the Run and Shoot?
                In that offense I think Smith would have put up similar yards from scrimmage to what Sanders gave Detroit. He'd have had less yards rushing but more than made up for it with yards receiving. He also wouldn't have been a liability inside the 5 yard line.

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                • Rocky
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 6896

                  #53
                  Re: Best runningback of all time

                  Originally posted by MassNole
                  In that offense I think Smith would have put up similar yards from scrimmage to what Sanders gave Detroit. He'd have had less yards rushing but more than made up for it with yards receiving. He also wouldn't have been a liability inside the 5 yard line.
                  More myths.
                  "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
                  -Rocky Balboa

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                  • MassNole
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 18848

                    #54
                    Re: Best runningback of all time

                    How are they myths?

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                    • Matt Diesel
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1637

                      #55
                      Re: Best runningback of all time

                      Not only is Jim Brown the greatest back in history, he is the greatest football player in history.
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                      • OSUFan_88
                        Outback Jesus
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 25642

                        #56
                        Re: Best runningback of all time

                        Bo Jackson is probably the best running back I've ever seen *at least on tape*

                        If he would have stayed healthy...SMH. He is probably the closest we have ever seen to Jim Brown since Jim Brown:

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                        OTOH, Jim Brown was just a freak:

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                        • NEOPARADIGM
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 2788

                          #57
                          Re: Best runningback of all time

                          Originally posted by bkrich83
                          Although this whole players around them thing certain people use to discredit Emmitt and give more credit to Sanders makes no sense to me.
                          Well I definitely wasn't trying to discredit Emmitt, dude's the leading rusher in NFL history for a reason, and it ain't cause he was an above-average back playing behind a great O-line. I'm just coming from a perspective where, from what I saw, Emmitt had some pretty gaping holes to run through for most of his career, and there's no one who EXPLODED through holes like Barry. I'm just putting two and two together on that one. Add in how dangerous Sanders was in the open field, that's where I'm coming from with the 20,000 yards thing.

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                          • TheWatcher
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 3408

                            #58
                            Re: Best runningback of all time

                            Some say, the greatest back who ever lived was the first to surpass Jim Brown's rushing record. If you can name him in the next 12 hours, I'll give you a prize.

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                            • Playmakers
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 15417

                              #59
                              Re: Best runningback of all time

                              These guys weren't the best ever but from what I've read about them they were scary good

                              Larry Brown


                              Chuck Foreman


                              Little Joe Washington was flat out sick


                              Tony Dorsett one of my All-Time favorites
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                              • TheBrothers24
                                SD/LA Chargers?
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 1915

                                #60
                                Re: Best runningback of all time

                                Put my life on the line and ask me to pick 1 running back then i won't hesitate to say Jim Brown. He did everything. Barry was more electrifying but was not close to being as complete a back as Jim Brown.
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