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  • huskerwr38
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    • Mar 2009
    • 1549

    #676
    Re: Best runningback of all time

    [quote=SPTO;2043824773]Franco Harris was a damn good RB though he was often criticized back in the day (I know as i've plenty of video) of being overly protective of himself rather than reaching for that extra yard. He would regularly step out of bounds rather than hurl himself on the turf for more yardage.

    Tony Dorsett was a HELLUVA RB. He was steady as they come though his decline was rather protracted and the sight of him in a Broncos uniform was just plain weird to see.



    The eye test did work in Sayers favor in many ways but he was also a transcendent player in his time. He was so far beyond everyone else in terms of his skill set and what he brought onto the field that he went beyond just the eye test that we're talking about. He was also recognized for coming back and having one great season after his first devastating knee injury. Sayers transformed the game with his speed and ability to make guys miss in an era where most RBs were plodding behemoths who were expected to run over defenders.

    So his case is a little more tricky than you'd think at first blush. You could probably make a case for the eye test theory if Terrell Davis is in the HOF.[/quote]

    Thank you. He really did transcend the postion which is why he's in the HOF.

    By the way, this discussion went from "Greatest Running Back of All Time" to which RBs should or shouldn't be in the HOF. Which is I made the comment about, where did Terrell Davis come from in this discussion. I do think T.D. belongs in the HOF, but he should not be in the discussion about greatest running back of all time, neither should Curtis Martin.

    A discussion about the greatest running back of all time should really only include like the top 4 or 5 Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, and Jim Brown. It really is these guys and then everyone else.

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    • The15thunter
      MVP
      • Mar 2003
      • 1639

      #677
      Re: Best runningback of all time

      Originally posted by SPTO
      Franco Harris was a damn good RB though he was often criticized back in the day (I know as i've plenty of video) of being overly protective of himself rather than reaching for that extra yard. He would regularly step out of bounds rather than hurl himself on the turf for more yardage.

      Tony Dorsett was a HELLUVA RB. He was steady as they come though his decline was rather protracted and the sight of him in a Broncos uniform was just plain weird to see.



      The eye test did work in Sayers favor in many ways but he was also a transcendent player in his time. He was so far beyond everyone else in terms of his skill set and what he brought onto the field that he went beyond just the eye test that we're talking about. He was also recognized for coming back and having one great season after his first devastating knee injury. Sayers transformed the game with his speed and ability to make guys miss in an era where most RBs were plodding behemoths who were expected to run over defenders.

      So his case is a little more tricky than you'd think at first blush. You could probably make a case for the eye test theory if Terrell Davis is in the HOF.
      i feel like that whole "transcendent" piece kinda proves the eye test. basically, my eye test is seeing the player play, and recognizing that at that time, he's not performing in comparison to his peers, but in comparison to the greats in history. that is something that is not statistically based, there's no benchmark you need to reach. if you're an educated viewer of the sport, you know when a player has surpassed merely playing in the "now", and he is now playing in history, so to speak.

      so, if we judge gale sayers statistically, as everyone wants to do for curtis martin, then he does not make the hall of fame. he would be a shooting star that shined brightly, fizzled, and then flickered back on before dying completely. but, if you WATCH gale sayers, and see the amazing things he did, you realize that this man's brief moments transcend his current time and place, and became iconic.

      that is the eye test.
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      • SPTO
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        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #678
        Re: Best runningback of all time

        Originally posted by The15thunter
        i feel like that whole "transcendent" piece kinda proves the eye test. basically, my eye test is seeing the player play, and recognizing that at that time, he's not performing in comparison to his peers, but in comparison to the greats in history. that is something that is not statistically based, there's no benchmark you need to reach. if you're an educated viewer of the sport, you know when a player has surpassed merely playing in the "now", and he is now playing in history, so to speak.

        so, if we judge gale sayers statistically, as everyone wants to do for curtis martin, then he does not make the hall of fame. he would be a shooting star that shined brightly, fizzled, and then flickered back on before dying completely. but, if you WATCH gale sayers, and see the amazing things he did, you realize that this man's brief moments transcend his current time and place, and became iconic.

        that is the eye test.
        You make a good point but the eye test can be deceiving what with the countless busts I mentioned earlier but even then, the eye test can be deceiving in other ways. Franco Harris was a HOF RB but the way he ran made you think anyone can do it.He wasn't flashy or exciting (for the most part) but at the end of the day he got a ton of yards. There's a contingent of posters here on OS that are Phil Simms supporters for the HOF and trust me, that guy besides his arm (and it even wasn't that strong an arm) wouldn't pass the eye test. Heck, two all time great QBs in Joe Montana and Tom Brady don't pass the eye test.

        There has to be more to it when judging a player's worth.
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        • huskerwr38
          MVP
          • Mar 2009
          • 1549

          #679
          Re: Best runningback of all time

          Originally posted by The15thunter
          i feel like that whole "transcendent" piece kinda proves the eye test. basically, my eye test is seeing the player play, and recognizing that at that time, he's not performing in comparison to his peers, but in comparison to the greats in history. that is something that is not statistically based, there's no benchmark you need to reach. if you're an educated viewer of the sport, you know when a player has surpassed merely playing in the "now", and he is now playing in history, so to speak.

          so, if we judge gale sayers statistically, as everyone wants to do for curtis martin, then he does not make the hall of fame. he would be a shooting star that shined brightly, fizzled, and then flickered back on before dying completely. but, if you WATCH gale sayers, and see the amazing things he did, you realize that this man's brief moments transcend his current time and place, and became iconic.

          that is the eye test.
          I understand what you mean by the eye test now. I suppose it's good for some and bad for others such as for Curtis Martin. I mean he wasn't flashy but has some of the best stats for a RB in NFL history. Also, just as a side note, I he has a perfect passer rating.
          Last edited by huskerwr38; 07-02-2012, 10:54 PM.

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          • huskerwr38
            MVP
            • Mar 2009
            • 1549

            #680
            Re: Best runningback of all time

            Here are highlights of all the RBs in the list to vote on. Couple things that stood out to me. In one of the videos, the Jim Brown one, there is a quote at the beginning, "The NFL is first and foremost a running game and that will never change".- Vince Lombardi. Funny how he was really wrong on that one.

            Also, obviously, defenses were so slow in the times of Jim Brown, OJ Simpsons, Gale Sayers, even up to Dickerson, Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders in the earlier highlights. I only realized this watching the Ladainian Tomlinson vids that defenses were so freaking quick. I don't know if this was due to the film being filmed slower or what. But watching L.T. highlights, I was like WOW!

            Jim Brown was just so hard to tackle, guys just couldn't bring him down and he had such good balance. Barry Sanders highlights are just so fun and amazing to watch. Emmitt Smith was fun to watch too...he just had such excellent vision.

            But Walter Payton, to me, just stood out out of all of those guys. He was a blend of Jim Brown, Earl Campbell and Barry Sanders. Guys couldn't tackle him, he exploded into guys, and he was also able to pull off jukes like Sanders too. Plus what really surprised me is how good of a receiver he was. And I'm not talking about catching screen passes and whatnot, but I mean he was going out for routes and catching bombs in traffic. Was also a great thrower, hitting guys in stride in the back of the endzone. To me, Payton was just WOW!

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            • 55
              Banned
              • Mar 2006
              • 20857

              #681
              Re: Best runningback of all time

              Originally posted by SPTO
              Heck, two all time great QBs in Joe Montana and Tom Brady don't pass the eye test.
              If Joe Montana and Tom Brady don't pass your eye test then I'm afraid you simply don't know what the **** the eye test really means.

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              • SPTO
                binging
                • Feb 2003
                • 68046

                #682
                Re: Best runningback of all time

                Originally posted by 55
                If Joe Montana and Tom Brady don't pass your eye test then I'm afraid you simply don't know what the **** the eye test really means.
                When they came out of college! Do I need to cover every single thing when i'm making a point?


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                • jaybird2585
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                  • Apr 2012
                  • 69

                  #683
                  Re: Best runningback of all time

                  I respect everyone's opinon, but I don't think Sanders belongs on here, he was go inside on turf, put him outdoors, he was just an average RB. I can understand Walter, Emmitt Smith, as options, but Jim Brown is the unanimous number 1. His stat were unbelievable and he played when defense could actually play defense and wouldn't receive a penalty for looking ato someone the wrong way. 9 seasons, 106 rushing TDs another 20 receiving TDs , just under 15000 totals yds, and 12,312 of those being rushing yards. He has the ultimate combination of size and speed, 6-2 230, if you watch his games, he runs through defenders and then just breaks away from the pack. He wanted to hit you, something you don't find in most RBs today.

                  I don't understand how Gale Sayers isn't on here either, career cut short, but he ran in the NFL better than Reggie Bush did in college. Identical playing styles, just more success for him in the pros

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                  • Champion8877
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 1518

                    #684
                    Re: Best runningback of all time

                    Originally posted by jaybird2585
                    I respect everyone's opinon, but I don't think Sanders belongs on here, he was go inside on turf, put him outdoors, he was just an average RB. I can understand Walter, Emmitt Smith, as options, but Jim Brown is the unanimous number 1. His stat were unbelievable and he played when defense could actually play defense and wouldn't receive a penalty for looking ato someone the wrong way. 9 seasons, 106 rushing TDs another 20 receiving TDs , just under 15000 totals yds, and 12,312 of those being rushing yards. He has the ultimate combination of size and speed, 6-2 230, if you watch his games, he runs through defenders and then just breaks away from the pack. He wanted to hit you, something you don't find in most RBs today.

                    I don't understand how Gale Sayers isn't on here either, career cut short, but he ran in the NFL better than Reggie Bush did in college. Identical playing styles, just more success for him in the pros

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                    • 55
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 20857

                      #685
                      Re: Best runningback of all time

                      Originally posted by jaybird2585
                      I don't think Sanders belongs on here, he was go inside on turf, put him outdoors, he was just an average RB.
                      Yeah, the 30 career road games on natural grass where he had 100+ yard games really support that theory.

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                      • RockinDaMike
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 9092

                        #686
                        Re: Best runningback of all time

                        I love Barry and his moves but I always remember those carries for losses he has. My vote goes to LT and Marshall Faulk right behind him just simply that they can do it all. No doubt in my mind that these two are the best scorers and that's what counts is the touchdowns. Lets not forget they are best in catching from the backfield on that list and that redefined the running back position.
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                        • TheMatrix31
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 52920

                          #687
                          Re: Best runningback of all time

                          Been blessed to watch some great RBs since I started watching football as a kid back in 1993 or so.

                          Emmitt, Barry, Terrell, Marshall, LaDainian....couldn't really go wrong with any of those guys in terms of this era.

                          I can't speak on the Payton's, Sayers', Dickerson's.....before my time.

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                          • ANDROMADA 1
                            So long to a Legend.
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 5024

                            #688
                            Re: Best runningback of all time

                            Originally posted by DukeC
                            I find it funny how everyone holds his durability against him but don't hold it against Emmitt.

                            SMH.
                            Its not so much about being durable as it is being great. For example Juwan Howard has been playing in the NBA for like 30 years is he the best ever in the NBA?

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                            • DukeC
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                              • Jul 2011
                              • 5751

                              #689
                              Re: Best runningback of all time

                              Originally posted by ANDROMADA 1
                              Its not so much about being durable as it is being great. For example Juwan Howard has been playing in the NBA for like 30 years is he the best ever in the NBA?
                              Firstly, that is a terrible ****ing example.

                              Secondly, Juwan Howard was a good NBA player for a span of 7-8 years, but he fizzled out of his prime quickly and started ring chasing. The bum.

                              Thirdly, comparing NBA players to football players is as incongruent as you can get. The average NFL runningback's prime career is 3-5 years, if that. Curtis played 10 years at a consistently high level. Enough to net him 4th all-time on the runningback list. His accomplishments dwarf Juwan Howards.

                              Fourthly, if any comparison to Curtis Martin is even applicable it would be Jason Kidd. Both have/had played at a consistently high level and both quietly have had hall of fame careers. Did you know Jason Kidd is 3rd all time in 3 pointers made?

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                              • Tomahawk
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                                • Feb 2005
                                • 1593

                                #690
                                Re: Best runningback of all time

                                Of the running backs in the Top 10 for career rushing yards, Jim Brown ranks 1st in the following categories ...

                                5.2 Rushing Yards Per Carry
                                104.3 Rushing Yards Per Game
                                125.5 Rushing/Receiving Yards Per Game
                                0.898 Rushing Touchdowns Per Game
                                1.07 Total Touchdowns Per Game

                                Despite playing the fewest seasons (9) of anyone in the Top 10 in career rushing yards Jim Brown has more NFL Rushing Titles (8) and led the league in Yards from Scrimmage (6) more than anyone else in the Top 10.

                                Despite carry the ball all of those times during his career he never missed a game. How many running backs can say they played 9 seasons and never missed a game?

                                If you adjust Brown's career numbers to a 16 game schedule his numbers average out to...
                                15,019 yards rushing (1,669 per season)
                                18,072 yards from scrimmage (2,008 per season)
                                129 Rushing TD's (14.3 per season)
                                154 Total TD's (17.1 per season)

                                Now pick the 9 best seasons for Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, or anyone else you want and they all come up short to Jim Brown's adjusted career numbers.

                                Jim Brown was and still is the best running back to ever play the game.
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