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[TheMatrix31]

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How what is, exactly? Fans aren't allowed to criticize playcalling?

You don't have to be a brain surgeon to watch football. Jesus.

[ImTellinTim]

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So amazing

Jaguars QB Blake Bortles on fans questioning play-calling: "it's like kindergarteners saying something to college kids."

Funny enough, that is how I would describe Blake Bortles playing quarterback in the NFL compared to his peers.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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How what is, exactly? Fans aren't allowed to criticize playcalling?

You don't have to be a brain surgeon to watch football. Jesus.

Who said they weren't allowed to?

But let's be real, people play Madden and watch a few hours of some All 22 Film and all of a sudden think they're so qualified to coach or call plays better than actual Coaches. If you're so good or have all the answers, you damn sure wouldn't be at your current job(speaking in general BTW, not towards you)

And this happens in the Pros, College and even down to HS.

[BlueNGold]

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I feel like I should really be investing in some stock in DraftKings and/or FanDuel.

[wco81]

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I feel like I should really be investing in some stock in DraftKings and/or FanDuel.

They've cut deals with a lot of NFL teams, even as the legal status is uncertain.

Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft are early investors in Draft Kings. Both companies raised a lot of money from hedge funds and media companies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/sp...ames.html?_r=0

NFL avoids the casinos in Vegas, avoided putting teams in Vegas when there were expansion teams under consideration.

One might think the reason is, the NFL couldn't get a cut of the action the casinos get.

But it could be a different story for these "skill" fantasy games.

[TheMatrix31]

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Who said they weren't allowed to?

But let's be real, people play Madden and watch a few hours of some All 22 Film and all of a sudden think they're so qualified to coach or call plays better than actual Coaches. If you're so good or have all the answers, you damn sure wouldn't be at your current job(speaking in general BTW, not towards you)

And this happens in the Pros, College and even down to HS.

Some people, yeah.


But it doesn't take a genius to know what's a good playcall or what's a bad playcall. Let's stop propping these people up as infallible or that they're doing work that us mere plebes can't do. Just because someone hasn't left their job that means what they think about a play is bull****? No. Most of the time, even Helen Keller knows what to do. I'd gladly leave my job if I knew anyone who could get me a job calling plays somewhere. Coaches are not gods and neither are players. Not to mention that merely commenting on play calling doesn't mean someone thinks they're a great coach or qualified to coach or whatever. Sometimes, it's just talking about something and that's it.

For example, you don't have to be a great coach to know that that end around playcall during the Broncos game Thursday night was a ****ing joke, even if he actually *did* end getting a first down on it (he didn't). It was only slightly better than Kubiak calling a halfback pass that got picked on first down right when they were about to score against Jacksonville a few years back. Nobody thinks they're Vince ****ing Lombardi for seeing this. And there's thousands of examples every single year. Yes, some of it is Monday Morning Quarterbacking or Maddenification but a lot of it is legitimate and deserved criticism.

And let nobody take this as a full-throated defense of fans either. I think the vast majority sports fans are embarrassing, mouth-breathing morons for countless reasons and should be lambasted on a regular basis. But this arrogance from ****ty players like Bortles and more importantly, the underlying bull**** notion of this sentiment that accompanies it is infuriating.

[kingkilla56]

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Who said they weren't allowed to?

But let's be real, people play Madden and watch a few hours of some All 22 Film and all of a sudden think they're so qualified to coach or call plays better than actual Coaches. If you're so good or have all the answers, you damn sure wouldn't be at your current job(speaking in general BTW, not towards you)

And this happens in the Pros, College and even down to HS.

Coughlin should have went for it on 4th down. Dont need to be a 20 year NFL veteran first ballot hall of fame coach to see that. These coaches are dumb, we see it on a week to week game to game basis. Blake Bortles is going at the fans yet he and his team are the ones who have played like trash for near a decade now. If his team was good, fans wouldnt question it. Ask NE fans why Belichick can fire everybody and do anything he likes and no one bats an eye at him. Because hes good at what he does. Jacksonville, replaceable Bortles, and replaceable HC dont have that benefit of the doubt.

Log off Bortles.

[p_rushing]

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I feel like I should really be investing in some stock in DraftKings and/or FanDuel.

It's going to be interesting to see if they survive. They are spending a ton of money on advertising. You can't give away money forever, you have to start making it at some point. The we will match up to $200 is probably one way they get cash and hope you don't actually play and just forget or play the free ones.

If they don't get enough users this year, I don't see how they can survive with all the ads they have bought.

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[Bmore Irish]

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It's going to be interesting to see if they survive. They are spending a ton of money on advertising. You can't give away money forever, you have to start making it at some point. The we will match up to $200 is probably one way they get cash and hope you don't actually play and just forget or play the free ones.

If they don't get enough users this year, I don't see how they can survive with all the ads they have bought.

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I'd be surprised if they aren't doing VERY well for themselves. As popular as fantasy football is, and as popular as gambling is, it's pretty much a lock that they've already had great success, and so now they have this huge advertising budget.

It's essentially legal online gambling, and you better believe there's all kinds of professional gamblers pouring money in every day, plus all the dip****s like me who think they can win. With whatever percentage they're taking off the top of every contest, I don't see how they couldn't be rolling in it. It's a pretty genius idea.

[TheShizNo1]

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So much goes into play calling that we don't see. Pretty sure there's many examples (like the super bowl play where Harrison picks off Warner) that based off of film a defender isn't supposed to be in a certain spot but for whatever reason come game day he's there. Something like that will potentially result in a big play for the defense. Now for us watching at home, it'll look like the QB just throwing right to him or the line missing a guy to block. I assume we don't know the personnel the way that the staff does so they may not have the confidence in calling a play that we think is a commonsense during a certain situation.

I'm not saying coaches don't make dumb decisions. I'm also not saying I don't criticize coaches myself for "dumb" calls. But to think you can just jump from your cubicle to a sideline and have a good handle on what's going on is short sighted and ridiculous.

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[slickdtc]

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So much goes into play calling that we don't see. Pretty sure there's many examples (like the super bowl play where Harrison picks off Warner) that based off of film a defender isn't supposed to be in a certain spot but for whatever reason come game day he's there. Something like that will potentially result in a big play for the defense. Now for us watching at home, it'll look like the QB just throwing right to him or the line missing a guy to block. I assume we don't know the personnel the way that the staff does so they may not have the confidence in calling a play that we think is a commonsense during a certain situation.

I'm not saying coaches don't make dumb decisions. I'm also not saying I don't criticize coaches myself for "dumb" calls. But to think you can just jump from your cubicle to a sideline and have a good handle on what's going on is short sighted and ridiculous.

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Could not agree more. We only see the results, not all the decisions or non-decisions that got us there. Not to mention actual execution by the players.

[redsox4evur]

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So much goes into play calling that we don't see. Pretty sure there's many examples (like the super bowl play where Harrison picks off Warner) that based off of film a defender isn't supposed to be in a certain spot but for whatever reason come game day he's there. Something like that will potentially result in a big play for the defense. Now for us watching at home, it'll look like the QB just throwing right to him or the line missing a guy to block. I assume we don't know the personnel the way that the staff does so they may not have the confidence in calling a play that we think is a commonsense during a certain situation.

I'm not saying coaches don't make dumb decisions. I'm also not saying I don't criticize coaches myself for "dumb" calls. But to think you can just jump from your cubicle to a sideline and have a good handle on what's going on is short sighted and ridiculous.

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Another one, that we found out about though, was the Butler INT to clinch a SB. Belichick said Butler practiced that play the whole week. But he kept getting picked by the WR in practice and in the game he noticed exactly what the play was going to be and moved back to dodge the pick and then pounced on the ball and made the pick.

And til this day Pete is still getting **** for a "dumb" play call. So I think Butler and Belichick had more to do on that play than Petesy's play call.

[Blzer]

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The only two dumb and costly decisions I've seen in the past five years were passing the ball last year's Super Bowl (I would have taken a PA though) and Favre passing the ball when Minnesota played New Orleans in 2010 and was picked (though I also blame Favre for not running and gaining a few yards for a game-winning FG).

[SPTO]

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This whole Blake Bortles thing wouldn't be blown up to a huge proportion if he had said something like "This isn't Madden football. The game is more complicated than you think."

I see both sides to Matrix's and Shiz's points. I'm somewhere in the middle on it. Let's not pretend that the more educated fans among us don't know what is and isn't a good playcall in a certain situation. There have been times when i've watched games and see the offensive formation and know exactly what they're going to do. It's not all rocket science. That being said, there is a LOT that goes into gameplanning and execution that we don't see and appreciate. Let's put it this way, I think most of us would fail spectacularly if we tried to coach an NFL squad.

[TheMatrix31]

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I don't think anyone that is football literate (like, mostly anyone on OS for example) actually presumes they can jump from their cubicle to the sidelines.

We know a lot goes into every decision. That still doesn't preclude even the professionals from making horrendous playcalls all too often.