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[Sportsforever]

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Career:

1995 - 4-12
1996 - 9-7
1997 - 11-5
1998 - 11-5
1999 - 14-2
2000 - 7-9
2001 - 6-10
2002 - 6-10
2004 - 6-10
2005 - 11-5
2006 - 8-8
2007 - 10-6
2008 - 12-4
2009 - 8-8
2010 - 10-6
2011 - 9-7
2012 - 9-7
2013 - 7-9
2014 - 6-10
2015 - 6-9

Overall= 170-149, 68-60 with JAX, 102-89 with NYG...Pretty mediocre...

There have been more than 470 coaches in NFL history...and 11 of them have more wins than Coughlin. Depending on how you look at it, he's around the top 10% in winning percentage as well. Hardly mediocre no matter how you slice it.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'll say this, I was real impressed when he took a franchise to the AFC Title Game in only its 2nd year of existence in Jacksonville. Same with Dom Capers in Carolina in their 2nd year.

Why did Jacksonville fire him again?

[Scott]

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There have been more than 470 coaches in NFL history...and 11 of them have more wins than Coughlin. Depending on how you look at it, he's around the top 10% in winning percentage as well. Hardly mediocre no matter how you slice it.

Good point, didn't realize he was in the Top 10% in Winning Percentage...

[Hooe]

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Why did Jacksonville fire him again?

From 2000 to 2002 inclusive he had three consecutive seasons of 7-9 or worse. Coincidentally the same reason that the Giants are about to can him.

[dubcity]

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Career:

1995 - 4-12
1996 - 9-7
1997 - 11-5
1998 - 11-5
1999 - 14-2
2000 - 7-9
2001 - 6-10
2002 - 6-10
2004 - 6-10
2005 - 11-5
2006 - 8-8
2007 - 10-6
2008 - 12-4
2009 - 8-8
2010 - 10-6
2011 - 9-7
2012 - 9-7
2013 - 7-9
2014 - 6-10
2015 - 6-9

Overall= 170-149, 68-60 with JAX, 102-89 with NYG...Pretty mediocre...

Mediocre compared to who or what? How many current NFL coaches have a higher career win %? Like 3-4? And less than that if you go with guys with anywhere near as many games coached. Reid and Belichick are about it.

[Scott]

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Mediocre compared to who or what? How many current NFL coaches have a higher career win %? Like 3-4? And less than that if you go with guys with anywhere near as many games coached. Reid and Belichick are about it.

Note taken...

[steelerfan]

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From 2000 to 2002 inclusive he had three consecutive seasons of 7-9 or worse. Coincidentally the same reason that the Giants are about to can him.

Jacksonville would kill for ONE 7-9 season nowadays.

[Sportsforever]

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Why are some of you gassing up coughlins career? He's been mediocre for the overwhelming majority of his coaching career. Outside of two miracle and quite frankly out of character playoff runs, the coach has been abysmal in New York.

It's time for the man to enjoy retirement and the last couple years of life. I wish him well.

I have little faith that the Giants don't simply replace him with another caveman out of touch coach who will be constantly embarrassed by the Eagles and Cowboys on a yearly basis.

A lot of franchises would kill for what he's done in NY over the last 10+ years. I will say, if not for Plax's stupidity in 2008 I believe the Giants would have repeated...they were just playing so well at the time.

[jWILL253]

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KingKilla with the "what have you done for me lately" sentiment.

Can't disregard what a coach has done just because of a few bad years. Hell, Mike Holmgren left Seattle with a 4-12 record in his final season as coach, and had a bunch of 7-9, 8-8 type seasons too. But still, he's among the best head coaches we've ever had, and one of the best in football history.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Rooney Rule Requirement, but I do agree that it was interesting to see him interviewed.

Always like Duce though. Used to do damage with him in those early Madden 00s games, lol.

Everytime I think of Duce I think about the 2004 Steelers. Duce would slice through the defense until he go to the opposing two. Then Cowher would put Bettis in for the touchdown runs. So at the end of games, Duce would have like 24 carries for over 100 yards, no touchdowns. Bettis would have three carries, four yards and three touchdowns. lol

[slickdtc]

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KingKilla with the "what have you done for me lately" sentiment.

Can't disregard what a coach has done just because of a few bad years. Hell, Mike Holmgren left Seattle with a 4-12 record in his final season as coach, and had a bunch of 7-9, 8-8 type seasons too. But still, he's among the best head coaches we've ever had, and one of the best in football history.

I can understand that. Same thing happened with Andy Reid in Philadelphia, and he has a better win percentage. His time in Philly ran out despite all the successes and playoff runs. NYG needs a change, but acting like Coughlin was just holding a HC spot is a disservice to his successful career. 170-149 may not be prolific, but that's a damn good coaching career. Add in a couple of Super Bowl wins (no matter your thoughts on the weight of them), and he's cemented as at least a really good coach

[jvalverde88]

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Agreed. Other Giants fans will disagree, but he did win 2 SB's.

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I forever grateful for his tenure with the Giants (2 greatest Giants head coach behind Parcells IMO) but its time or a change. Add the horrible late play call decisions and its obvious he needed to go. I just hope this means Reese is gone too.

[dickey1331]

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He should be in the hall of fame just for beating the undefeated patriots

[Chip Douglass]

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Career:

1995 - 4-12
1996 - 9-7
1997 - 11-5
1998 - 11-5
1999 - 14-2
2000 - 7-9
2001 - 6-10
2002 - 6-10
2004 - 6-10
2005 - 11-5
2006 - 8-8
2007 - 10-6
2008 - 12-4
2009 - 8-8
2010 - 10-6
2011 - 9-7
2012 - 9-7
2013 - 7-9
2014 - 6-10
2015 - 6-9

Overall= 170-149, 68-60 with JAX, 102-89 with NYG...Pretty mediocre...

NYG in the 12 years prior to Coughlin: 95-96-1, 3 playoff wins.

Jacksonville post-Coughlin: 84-123; fewer playoff wins than Coughlin had AFC title game appearances. And Jacksonville was a freshly-minted expansion team when Coughlin took over as well.

Context is important.

As far as results go...he was not mediocre.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Got this from the Packers SB Nation Site that may fit in with the discussion:

Chip Kelly got the axe and now that we're nearing the end of the NFL's regular season, it won't be long before a number of other coaches head to the gallows. But in what's now become a bit of a perverse annual tradition, many of those coaches, despite having crumby records - or in Jeff Fisher's case, a historically crumby record - will get a second chance. Or a third. Hell, maybe a fourth. Of course, one of the big reasons to why this ridiculous coaching carousel exists is simple. Consistency.

From the owner's box to the ball boys, consistency in the NFL, is king. Consistency leads to predictability, which leads to reliability, which leads to trust. Consistency breeds routine, which breeds repetition, which breeds focus and eliminates the one thing equally as loathed as consistency is lauded - "distractions."

In the NFL, consistency is so prized that when it comes to head coaches, being consistently employed throughout your career can actually matter more than being good at your job. For example, that's how Rob Ryan keeps collecting paychecks. But consistency doesn't just help coaches get jobs. It helps coaches keep jobs.

But that's also kind of a gamble in itself, isn't it? By sticking with the safe option, you're missing out on the next creative offensive mind, innovative play caller, or cunning strategist. I don't claim to know if any of those exist and if you're Ted Thompson, you're certainly not going to make a change just for the sake of making change. It's cliché, but there's some truth to the whole ‘if you're not getting better, you're getting worse' mantra when it comes to coaches. Moves that maintain a team's success level rather than improving or worsening a team seem to rarely happen (The Broncos replacing John Fox with Gary Kubiak is one of the relatively rare recent examples