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[areobee401]

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Very few if any could be labeled as good at it. Which is why we are seeing many appoint other coaches to assist in clock management. With so many scenarios to account for mistakes are made sometimes. There is no perfect science to managing clock when part of it depends on chance.

The key is not flubbing up the things in your control. Timeouts, play calling and urgency. Things like that. The reason why Andy Reed is labeled as a bad clock manager is because too many times over his career he allows the things within his control to eat him up at end of games.

[slickdtc]

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First I heard of a clock management specialist was with Herm Edwards, I think in his Chiefs stint.

All these Twitter armchair clock mathematicians should be getting a call...

I do put the onus on the players as well. Some times take their sweet old time with 5 minutes left and end up with nothing when there's a minute left. Being aware of the clock before it becomes critical mass is something that I think gets overlooked. Both in how much time you leave yourself and in how much time you leave your opponent + the likelihood they're going to shred your defense.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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I get that it may be more difficult than it seems but....................


you're a 7 figure employee with a, mostly, unlimited staffing budget. Figure it out. Game clock management is too important to just throw your hands up and say, "it's hard, guys."

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Clock management goes beyond the Coaches, which I'm not sure we take into consideration.

[TheShizNo1]

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I get that it may be more difficult than it seems but....................


you're a 7 figure employee with a, mostly, unlimited staffing budget. Figure it out. Game clock management is too important to just throw your hands up and say, "it's hard, guys."

Clock management goes beyond the Coaches, which I'm not sure we take into consideration.

And that's the thing.

How many times do we see a penalty on the offense during a two minute drill? I can have my playsheet marked up with my next 3-4 plays based off of what I call and what should happen. But then my LT jumps off-sides, or my WR has a brain fart and turns up field instead of getting out of bounds, etc. I'm not saying these guys shouldn't be prepared; I'm just saying it isn't as simple as watching the clock and "managing timeouts (such a dumb phrase)".

Also, throwing their salaries out is neither here nor there. We see guys with all kinds of stacks that suck at their job.

[ImTellinTim]

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Clock management goes beyond the Coaches, which I'm not sure we take into consideration.

It's on the head coach to prepare staff and players for clock situations though. And it's not just clock management either. It's doing things like punting from the 50 on 4th and 3 with 4 mins left down two scores. Some coaches seriously do need a guy on the staff who just stands by them and stops them from doing incredibly stupid things throughout the game.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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It's on the head coach to prepare staff and players for clock situations though.

You can spend all the time in the world preparing for it, but it doesn't mean that everything is going to go as planned.

I can spend all the time in the world at the gym teaching myself how to fight but it doesn't necessarily mean I won't get hit.

Some coaches seriously do need a guy on the staff who just stands by them and stops them from doing incredibly stupid things throughout the game.

Until that Coach listens to "that guy", screws up and loses the game, then ya'll are gonna say "Well, he should've just went off his gut instinct, that's why he's paid all that money".

Armchairs always think every thing is so simple/easy, lol.

[areobee401]

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Well, there ya go. We can't criticize NFL head coaches because their job is hard.

[ImTellinTim]

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No us "armchairs" don't think it's easy. We just don't shrug our shoulders at obvious **** ups and accept it as "oh, it's hard".

What's the fun in watching if you're not going to discuss what happens? You always just dismiss debate as those "armchair GM/coaches at it again". You sound like a blast to watch a game with, lol.

[TheShizNo1]

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No us "armchairs" don't think it's easy. We just don't shrug our shoulders at obvious **** ups and accept it as "oh, it's hard".

What's the fun in watching if you're not going to discuss what happens? You always just dismiss debate as those "armchair GM/coaches at it again". You sound like a blast to watch a game with, lol.

Wait...are talking about a specific two minute drill **** up? I thought we were talking in general?

If we're talking about this:

And it's not just clock management either. It's doing things like punting from the 50 on 4th and 3 with 4 mins left down two scores.

...than I agree.

But I see that as more of an overall conservative thing as opposed to what we're talking about.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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No us "armchairs" don't think it's easy. We just don't shrug our shoulders at obvious **** ups and accept it as "oh, it's hard".

What's the fun in watching if you're not going to discuss what happens? You always just dismiss debate as those "armchair GM/coaches at it again". You sound like a blast to watch a game with, lol.

Man, I'm like Jon ****ing Gruden if you watch a game with me, lol.

But nah, in all seriousness, you know I never dismiss any debate on here. If you have a solution to a certain situation in any game/sport, I can respect that position if I won't necessarily agree with it.

But if all you're going to do is say something like:

"That was a horrible play, why did they do that? That guy should be fired"

"Oh ok, what would you have done differently?"

"I don't know, but that was just stupid"

"Ok then...."

Or come out with The Takes ablazing, then yeah, I probably will just dismiss it as you not knowing what the hell you're talking about.

[TracerBullet]

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It's funny though because one thing I think Jim Caldwell (and special projects coach Randy Edsall) have done this year is manage the clock well.

However, after the first win over the Colts, people were criticizing his timeout usage when the Colts took the lead with 37 seconds left. He didn't use a timeout on defense, which, as it turned out, is why we won. Pagano was dumb enough to call one on offense, which helped out, but that helped us not freak out when Marvin Jones didn't run out of bounds.

Pretty sure the Lions have reached the final 5 minutes of all but like two games with all three of their timeouts (which some argue is too conservative, but whatever). And we've seen the results with the comebacks all season.

His best move this year was against Minnesota when he argued for two seconds to be put back on the clock near the end of the game. Stafford ended up spiking the ball with two seconds left before the game-tying field goal.

I do feel like it's a thing that's a lot tougher to control than some believe, but I can't excuse when the team/coach is showing a lack of urgency. That's where I believe Andy Reid's teams falter way too much at the end of the game.

[mestevo]

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Looks like maybe the Chiefs are hopeful they could get Charles back for the playoffs before inevitably releasing him in the offseason.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/08/chiefs-hoping-jamaal-charles-is-back-for-the-playoffs/

[SPTO]

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Yeah, I don't think any of us are foolish enough to believe that clock management is easy and indeed some of it is on the players. You don't know how many times i've seen teams in late game situations taking all the time in the world in what is supposed to be a hurry up situation. You can definitely find fault in both the coaching AND players on that one. If i'm a coach and i'm trying to hurry it up i'd be SCREAMING my head off at the players (QB mainly) for taking his sweet *** time.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Is it possible for a division to have 4 10+ game winners? Or is that impossible to happen with how the schedules are set up each year?