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**PeoplesChampGB** · 01-05-2020, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by kehlis

Indeed, you are right. My bad.

Yeah, so it's not a gentlemen's agreement. It's an actual rule, just like taking a knee. It doesn't take that much more energy to take a knee. It's just pure laziness.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 01-05-2020, 04:23 PM

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Question for anyone: Is there a penalty for too many players on the field or just only for too many players in the huddle?

**mestevo** · 01-05-2020, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

Question for anyone: Is there a penalty for too many players on the field or just only for too many players in the huddle?

On offense, I think being in the huddle is the only point where it becomes a penalty pre-snap for the offense.

**kehlis** · 01-05-2020, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB

Yeah, so it's not a gentlemen's agreement. It's an actual rule, just like taking a knee. It doesn't take that much more energy to take a knee. It's just pure laziness.

It's not, I was wrong about that.

But what happened yesterday was:

The refs huddled to discuss the play and concluded that the receiver “gave himself up” and the play was a touchback. When Carter makes the “safe signal” with his arms out by his side, one that alerts his teammates they don’t have to block for him since he isn’t returning it, the refs ruled that signaled that he was giving himself up. Even the NFL’s officiating crew confirmed via Twitter that this was the right call:

Why the refs took away a Bills TD on a Texans kickoff mishap

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/4/21049921/bills-texans-kickoff-touchback-wild-card-nfl-playoffs-refs

This was almost disastrous for the Texans in the second half.

**Cardot** · 01-05-2020, 05:02 PM

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So do scrambling QB's still have to slide? Or can they just make the "safe signal" and drop the ball?

**Jr.** · 01-05-2020, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Cardot

So do scrambling QB's still have to slide? Or can they just make the "safe signal" and drop the ball?

If that meant they were giving themselves up, yes. But they would also lose out of the extra yardage that sliding gives, so I doubt any would do that.

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**Cardot** · 01-05-2020, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Jr.

If that meant they were giving themselves up, yes. But they would also lose out of the extra yardage that sliding gives, so I doubt any would do that.

Don't they spot it where the slide started from?

**kehlis** · 01-05-2020, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Cardot

So do scrambling QB's still have to slide? Or can they just make the "safe signal" and drop the ball?

I don't think so.

You're being a bit dramatic. The safe signal is no different than a fair catch. It's been done for years now. It's done to signal to his blockers running towards him that he isn't going to return is to they don't need to worry about blocking.

I think the difference (and I apologize, I don't particularly pay much attention to kick offs that are obviously going to be toucbacks) is usually, when the sign is given, the returner doesn't catch the ball.

**PeoplesChampGB** · 01-05-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by kehlis

It's not, I was wrong about that.

But what happened yesterday was:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/...-playoffs-refs

That is so stupid. If he wanted to, he could've waived for a fair catch and, caught it, and no controversy would have happened.

**kehlis** · 01-05-2020, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB

That is so stupid. If he wanted to, he could've waived for a fair catch and, caught it, and no controversy would have happened.

I assume you watch a lot of football.

How many times have you seen a receiver waive for a fair catch in the endzone?

(I've never seen it)

How many times have you seen them give that same signal?

(I've seen it multiple times every games throughout the course of about the last five years or so)

**PeoplesChampGB** · 01-05-2020, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by kehlis

I assume you watch a lot of football.

How many times have you seen a receiver waive for a fair catch in the endzone?

(I've never seen it)

How many times have you seen them give that same signal?

(I've seen it multiple times every games throughout the course of about the last five years or so)

The problem is is it is not in the rulebook.

Let's run a hypothetical situation. Kickoff. The defense is running downfield. At what point can the returner not give himself up? Can he do it right before he gets hit to make sure he doesn't fumble? That's the problem. A fair catch, knee, or running out of the back/sides of the endzone eliminates that problem.

**kehlis** · 01-05-2020, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by PeoplesChampGB

The problem is is it is not in the rulebook.

Let's run a hypothetical situation. Kickoff. The defense is running downfield. At what point can the returner not give himself up? Can he do it right before he gets hit to make sure he doesn't fumble? That's the problem. A fair catch, knee, or running out of the back/sides of the endzone eliminates that problem.

Any runner can give themselves up at any point?

They just have to drop to the ground and wait to be touched.

Comparing what happens in the field of play isn't exactly comparing what happens during a touchback lol.

If you want to belive that should have been a safety, have at it. I won't even argue with you anymore. Not really interested in talking about it further.

**The Chef** · 01-05-2020, 05:43 PM

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The whole kickoff thing has bothered me all season. I get where some are coming from as catching it and taking a knee has always been how it was done prior. The kickoff is a live ball so just deciding not to field it, letting it bounce and claiming he gave himself up because he didn't attempt to catch it is a little ridiculous. If the kicking team were to squib it and it somehow bounced all the way into the endzone before dying I doubt the same "they didn't field it because they gave themselves up" excuse would be afforded to the receiving team yet both are kickoffs that ended up in the end zone.

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**kehlis** · 01-05-2020, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by The Chef

The whole kickoff thing has bothered me all season. I get where some are coming from as catching it and taking a knee has always been how it was done prior. The kickoff is a live ball so just deciding not to field it, letting it bounce and claiming he gave himself up because he didn't attempt to catch it is a little ridiculous. If the kicking team were to squib it and it somehow bounced all the way into the endzone before dying I doubt the same "they didn't field it because they gave themselves up" excuse would be afforded to the receiving team yet both are kickoffs that ended up in the end zone.

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I think you missed it but I clarified that a bit earlier.

I was wrong with my initial posts on that. There is a clear rule in the rule book that states if the ball lands in the end zone in the air, it's a dead ball.

If it were to land on the one (as an example) it would be a live ball.

**ggsimmonds** · 01-05-2020, 06:20 PM

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They've been doing kickoff touchbacks like this for a long time but now some of you guys are complaining?

I love playoff football

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