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[StanleyStutters]

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And in exchange he's guaranteed to be paid to the age of 40. Lets not act like he's some saint here, lol. The Pats haven't won it all in years and Brady (still HOFer and in the convo for best ever) is past his prime. That security is more important than is being made out... as well as having his targets. Guys watch Manning, Montana, etc. forced to move on at the tail end of their careers. Not taking anything away from him for not simply chasing dollars but he also didn't just give money back like he's Robin Hood.



Not surprising at all. Brady specifically did it before and you can see how the entire thing works out with the money he actually gets. Many other players have done it also... they just aren't named Tom Brady so there aren't big stories about it.

It is a good deal for Brady, and he obviously doesn't need the money, but he still left a lot on the table. Just last year Peyton signed a 5 year, $96M deal with Denver, at the time Peyton was 36 and coming off of a major neck injury. If Brady played out his contract he'd be 37 when he hit free agency and easily could have gotten a deal with similar per year money. Instead he signed a 3 year, $27M extension which has a per year average of $9M (less than half of the $19M Peyton got on the open market).

I'm not saying Brady is a saint or Robin Hood (the money's definitely not going to the poor), and it's true a lot of players restructure their deals, but I think people are underestimating just how much money he passed up.

[mestevo]

Think I read that most of it is only guaranteed for injury, not necessarily a fully guaranteed deal.

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[Beantown]

It is a good deal for Brady, and he obviously doesn't need the money, but he still left a lot on the table. Just last year Peyton signed a 5 year, $96M deal with Denver, at the time Peyton was 36 and coming off of a major neck injury. If Brady played out his contract he'd be 37 when he hit free agency and easily could have gotten a deal with similar per year money. Instead he signed a 3 year, $27M extension which has a per year average of $9M (exactly half of the $18M Peyton got on the open market).

I'm not saying Brady is a saint or Robin Hood (the money's definitely not going to the poor), and it's true a lot of players restructure their deals, but I think people are underestimating just how much money he passed up.

Exactly. 60 million over 5 years, all guaranteed is a lot of money, yes...but it's far below Brady's market value and he did it for one reason - he cares more about making sure the Patriots have cap room to make the team better around him. He has the money already and unlike lots of players he's not cashing in for one last ridiculous contract like he easily could have.

He's not a saint and I hope you don't think that's what Patriot fans are saying - he's one of the greatest QBs of all time and once again (since he has done this before) proves that he's smart enough to balance getting his money and helping the team.

Also, 15 million over the next two years where the cap might not increase much at all is a large amount. 3 year, 27 million guaranteed for a top 2/3 QB of all time is a steal anyway you look at it. The timing makes it even better. That's all we're trying to say.

[Cardot]

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Certainly helps him not worry when his wife makes equal/more than him.

Way more. $45 Million in 2011.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/05/tom-brady-gisele-bundchen-top-paid-model-45-million/1

[StanleyStutters]

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Think I read that most of it is only guaranteed for injury, not necessarily a fully guaranteed deal.

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That's correct. http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...radys-new-deal

[cjonesfan921]

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This is what I was saying before...

http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/ron_borges/2013/02/borges_deal_helps_pats_but_let_s_hold_off_on_qb_s_sainthood

Of course it helps the Pats, but everyone has done it.

Also, the bottom is what we all need to focus on..

He has renegotiated his contract seven times since originally signing in July 2000. He signed renegotiated deals in August 2002, September 2004, May 2005, May 2007, September 2010, March 2012 and now February 2013.

[wwharton]

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It is a good deal for Brady, and he obviously doesn't need the money, but he still left a lot on the table. Just last year Peyton signed a 5 year, $96M deal with Denver, at the time Peyton was 36 and coming off of a major neck injury. If Brady played out his contract he'd be 37 when he hit free agency and easily could have gotten a deal with similar per year money. Instead he signed a 3 year, $27M extension which has a per year average of $9M (less than half of the $19M Peyton got on the open market).

I'm not saying Brady is a saint or Robin Hood (the money's definitely not going to the poor), and it's true a lot of players restructure their deals, but I think people are underestimating just how much money he passed up.

He's not in the same situation as Peyton though. If NE had straight up released him and his services were available to whatever team he wanted, he would've gotten Peyton money. Like I said, good for him for wanting to be a Pat for what is likely the rest of his career and caring more about what that means than dollar signs. But I also consider what Brady looks like right now, what he'd look like at 37, the idea of a vet of his level would risk having to start over with another team, etc, etc. It's a smart decision for him, not just bc he cares so much about the team he's leaving money on the table.

Exactly. 60 million over 5 years, all guaranteed is a lot of money, yes...but it's far below Brady's market value and he did it for one reason - he cares more about making sure the Patriots have cap room to make the team better around him. He has the money already and unlike lots of players he's not cashing in for one last ridiculous contract like he easily could have.

He's not a saint and I hope you don't think that's what Patriot fans are saying - he's one of the greatest QBs of all time and once again (since he has done this before) proves that he's smart enough to balance getting his money and helping the team.

Also, 15 million over the next two years where the cap might not increase much at all is a large amount. 3 year, 27 million guaranteed for a top 2/3 QB of all time is a steal anyway you look at it. The timing makes it even better. That's all we're trying to say.

You guys are going overboard with it though, lol. "He did it for one reason"... no, he had plenty of reasons to do it, that's what I'm saying. Plenty of reasons that have only to do with him and his family. I'm certainly not saying it was a selfish move by Brady, but this is something that happens all the time that benefits a player of his level and the team. It's just a smart business deal on both ends.

[Chrisksaint]

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Sean has been away for too long I suppose

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[RJTurneR]

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I would hope so. I'd be pissed if I were at school at dinner time.

Dinner time for us is lunch time.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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How many times has a player(or a player of Brady's level) renegoatiated their contract throughout their careers though? Once? Twice?

Yes, plenty of players have done it before...but to do it 7 times in the last 13 years including 3 in the last 3 years, you definitely don't hear too many players doing it THAT often.

[N51_rob]

ESPN 980 (redskins radio) is reporting that Washington may seek a court injunction to delay free agency while they try to get some (or all) of their remaining 16 million in cap penalties removed. They are also saying Dallas (5 million in penalties) won't join them.


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[cjonesfan921]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

How many times has a player(or a player of Brady's level) renegoatiated their contract throughout their careers though? Once? Twice?

Yes, plenty of players have done it before...but to do it 7 times in the last 13 years including 3 in the last 3 years, you definitely don't hear too many players doing it THAT often.

The point is, all this is just creative accounting. Brady guaranteed himself 3 more million over the next 2 years. Anything after that, he could easily retire, or renegotiate again.

Everyone renegotiates...there's always an incentive for them, and the team. To make Brady out to be some unbelievable selfless guy, is just...meh.

[bigbob]

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Everyone renegotiates...there's always an incentive for them, and the team. To make Brady out to be some unbelievable selfless guy, is just...meh.

How many of those are in the top 3 of their position, and could easily command two, three times as much as they were given/renegotiated to?

You don't see many players that are considered the best at their position renegotiate for the better of the team.

You either pay them what they want, or they bitch and cry until they're traded or released.

[kehlis]

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You don't see many players that are considered the best at their position renegotiate for the better of the team.

It actually happens pretty frequently, Big Ben is working on doing it for the second time in like three years so they have more cap room for free agency this year.

Normally it's pretty much non news though because, like the Ben situation, he isn't adding years to the deal unlike Brady adding years.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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But again, how many of those players do it as many times as Brady has? But 7 times in 13 years? I'd like to know these players who have done it even half the time, lol.

We all see how players get when they're asked to rework their deals just one time. This dude apparently has had no problem doing it for most of his career.

FWIW, I'm not putting Brady on some type of pedestal or anything and I don't think anybody else was either. I just don't necessarily agree with the notion that what Brady does(reworking his deal almost every year)happens all the time.