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[Kramer5150]

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The inflated contracts for guys who "haven't done anything" went away with the rookie cap.

TBH the NFL keeps making money hand over fist and given the choice, I'd rather that money go to the players over the owners.

Let me clarify...

Murray from the Cardinals hasn't done squat in this league, yet is rewarded a huge contract, again for what?

Same deal for Watson in Cleveland...again, hasn't done squat yet gets this huge payday...again for what?

This last one gets me, Jackson from the Ravens, the highest paid QB in the league? are you kidding me??

The list could go on and on...

[reyes the roof]

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Those guys are all getting paid because if you don’t pay them you’re stuck with Carson Wentz as your QB. I’m in favor of the players getting all the money they can, they are the league. You can replace the owners, not the players

[legendkiller5]

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The "feeling" that I'm referring to is that I'm sick and tired of hearing about how much they love the game but when they don't get the payout they think they deserve then they will decide to holdout or what-not.

If the love of the game is that strong then I feel they should play for that reason, NOT just the ridiculous amounts of money they are getting paid...

I'm sure I'll get backlash over my thoughts, but at this point I really don't care, athletes (imo) are WAY over paid...some haven't done squat in the league but yet are getting these inflated contracts...for what?

Hmm. Yeah, that's an interesting perspective. Overpaid according to whom? I'd love to hear the evidence to support this, not "cuz I said so" or "it's how it was back in the 1800s".

The league and owners are making more money than ever - expansion, international exposure, television contracts, ad revenue, etc. - so not sure why the players should have to settle in that regard "for the love of the game".

This is really no different than Joe Blow, who enjoys his SWE gig, but expects a raise (COL at minimum) + increase in equity when Microsoft brings in record profits and he has a good performance year.

And although he may not "hold out", he'll jump ship to Google in a heartbeat for a 20% raise in comp. Plenty of below average employees who somehow stay employed expect annual comp increases, too.

So bizarre people who have an alternate take with professional athletes, especially in football - given how brutal the sport is and short careers can be.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Murray from the Cardinals hasn't done squat in this league, yet is rewarded a huge contract, again for what?

Same deal for Watson in Cleveland...again, hasn't done squat yet gets this huge payday...again for what?

This last one gets me, Jackson from the Ravens, the highest paid QB in the league? are you kidding me??

The list could go on and on...

Ignoring Watson for reasons, Kyler won ROTY and has been to the Pro Bowl twice. Lamar won MVP and has also been to the Pro Bowl twice. They aren't Mahomes, but Mahomes is already a borderline hall of famer after six seasons.

This is the nature of a competitive market - QBs even as good as Kyler and Lamar are hard af to come by and if you don't find one, you're fired.

[legendkiller5]

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Ignoring Watson for reasons, Kyler won ROTY and has been to the Pro Bowl twice. Lamar won MVP and has also been to the Pro Bowl twice. They aren't Mahomes, but Mahomes is already a borderline hall of famer after six seasons.

This is the nature of a competitive market - QBs even as good as Kyler and Lamar are hard af to come by and if you don't find one, you're fired.

Right. I mean, the NFL is no different than any other industry or field. Some professions are in high demand for one reason or another - and in some instances, there’s such a need that companies will pay people top dollar for a role right out of college, without any established full-time work experience. You could be paying for a certain skill set, niche talent, or future potential - just like with professional sports.

Combine that with record profits and it’s…very basic supply and demand stuff.

[Kramer5150]

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Hmm. Yeah, that's an interesting perspective. Overpaid according to whom? I'd love to hear the evidence to support this, not "cuz I said so" or "it's how it was back in the 1800s".

What evidence do you need? just look at the damn contracts these players are getting.
I just read an article that mentions Burrow now may become the highest paid...where does it end?

[Kramer5150]

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Kyler won ROTY and has been to the Pro Bowl twice. Lamar won MVP and has also been to the Pro Bowl twice.

This is the nature of a competitive market - QBs even as good as Kyler and Lamar are hard af to come by and if you don't find one, you're fired.

How many playoff and SB's these guys win?

With that being said, I'm done here...it's pointless to voice an opinion as no matter what, you get cocky *** remarks, it it what it is though.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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How many playoff and SB's these guys win?

Nick Foles is a super bowl-winning quarterback, and you can sign him for peanuts right now if that's the route you're going.

[dubcity]

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NFL really isn't a league that comes anywhere near overpaying anyone, honestly. If anything they underpay, considering the sacrifice to mind and body players make. Yeah QBs have been making good money, but overall the league does not pay a lot compared to other sports. And careers are very short.

Just look at how the RB position is treated now when it comes to all of this. Use them as much as possible on their small money deal, then throw them away. Definitely doesn't feel like a "I'd rather the players get the money than the owners" situation there lol.

[legendkiller5]

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What evidence do you need? just look at the damn contracts these players are getting.
I just read an article that mentions Burrow now may become the highest paid...where does it end?

Ah, got it. They’re overpaid “because I said so”.

This is why I think a basic economics course should be required for high school students.

Also, you can have an opinion. We can also have an opinion about your opinion. That’s how it works.

[kehlis]

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Ah, got it. They’re overpaid “because I said so”.

This is why I think a basic economics course should be required for high school students.

Also, you can have an opinion. We can also have an opinion about your opinion. That’s how it works.

You're right about opinions and that is what you are both doing which is great.

This middle sentence is very unnecessary and is very much against the spirt of having a conversation in good faith to be honest.

Unless I missed it - he hasn't taken a shot anyone else like this. Just given his opinion.

[mestevo]

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My 2 cents on contracts and why some are paid the way they are.

For my first copper Abe: Contracts are relative.

Burrow becoming the highest paid QB in the league is just the natural progression of pay at the position at the high end, and it will never be 'the objectively best QB is making the most 100% of the time'. Like always those among the best players will reset markets (unless they're aberrations - Watson, arguably Mahomes because of the structure) and subsequent deals among the relatively elite will be in the same neighborhood if not more. I zone out though when the debates shift to 'that guy should only get $42m a year not $45m' cause it's all silly at that point.

The second penny is opportunity cost.

Letting Kyler Murray walk and opting to hope you can fill his shoes with an unknown quantity (or a potentially lesser QB already on the roster) can set a franchise back years. Most recently look at the Colts and their revolving QBs since Luck's sudden retirement. They're competitive and that's a credit to how their team is run but they're all over the place at the position, as other teams are / have been. If they don't have a plan the trickle down effect of not having a QB you think you can build your team around and how it affects revenue, ability to sign other FAs, and other things is a very big deal and partly why QBs that don't seem to be 'worth it' end up getting the money that they do.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Contracts have been ridiculously high for the last 20-30 years and will continue to get high.

As for guys asking for those contracts, I mean nobody forced Owners to hand them out but end of the day I’d rather the players get them instead of the Owners any day of the week.

Didn’t think this would be a controversial issue

[slickdtc]

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NFL really isn't a league that comes anywhere near overpaying anyone, honestly. If anything they underpay, considering the sacrifice to mind and body players make. Yeah QBs have been making good money, but overall the league does not pay a lot compared to other sports. And careers are very short.

Just look at how the RB position is treated now when it comes to all of this. Use them as much as possible on their small money deal, then throw them away. Definitely doesn't feel like a "I'd rather the players get the money than the owners" situation there lol.

Yeah, football is one sport that I’m not sure it’s worth the toll your body takes. And I’m a hockey fan (and they get paid way less). Can’t enjoy those earnings if your brain is mush.

The way the RB position is treated is crazy. They are the collateral of sport being business.

Maybe that’s what Kramer is getting at. Sports have been business, but they didn’t always act like it. Now everyone involved does.

[kehlis]

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Didn’t think this would be a controversial issue

I don't think it is to be honest. We're at a point where if you're a top QB in the league your next contract will either be the highest or very close to it.

It's the most influential position in the sport. It doesn't even always have to make sense.

After Burrow, Herbert will get the next big raise and despite him not really winning a thing, it will be the best thing for that team and him at the same time. Good quarterbacks aren't easy to find and they don't even have to be great to be paid.