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[slickdtc]

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This is the problem, everybody wants a franchise QB. There's only so many of them to go around. Game managers don't historically win Super Bowls (not this era at least), but they can. Cleveland is still building but already in a pretty good position. Why not let them gain late season/postseason experience with an able option at QB? Their team isn't busting at the seams, ready for a SB but they're headed in that direction (2-3 years). Why risk everything by putting in an unknown at Q? He could be the greatest player ever... or completely sabotage the Browns for the next few years.

I think you guys underrate STABILITY at the QB position. Us Bills fans have seen it up close. Orton may not be "good" but he's been able to keep things settled. Hoyer plays a similar role.

It really depends on what Hoyer wants as far as a contract goes. If the Browns can retain him for semi-cheap and not longer then 3 years, they should. I have a feeling he knows he hasn't done enough for the Browns to commit to him over Manziel and will find a place elsewhere.

[TheShizNo1]

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Lol, y'all still looking at the record and thinking, "Well, Hoyer must not be that bad". What you're seeing with Hoyer is what you saw with McCown last year. Coaching and a system can do wonders. Hoyer rarely makes a big pass off of a regular drop back pass.

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[ubernoob]

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I think you guys underrate STABILITY at the QB position. Us Bills fans have seen it up close. Orton may not be "good" but he's been able to keep things settled. Hoyer plays a similar role.

Stable **** is still ****.

[OSUFan_88]

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I wonder how many people have truly looked at what Hoyer has done this year...

Because his stats really say it all. While they win, and Hoyer has come up big in big situations and is great in play action, he is pretty much **** at all other areas.

He has the worst completion % of any starter in the NFL. Recently he has been turning the ball over. He has been missing wide open guys like he was Andy Dalton on MNF.

While he has provided competent play at times this season, there is absolutely no way the Browns should move forward thinking Hoyer should be their guy. Because the Browns can improve at that position by a fairly good margin. Hopefully Manziel is that guy.

[Bmore Irish]

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If the Browns want to win a Super Bowl, they've got to take a chance. Standing pat doesn't win you anything. Frankly, I don't even think the Browns make the playoffs this year, though they've had a good season and look improved.

Game managers and backups don't win you Super Bowls. Dilfer didn't win the 2000 Ravens a Super Bowl, one of the best defenses in recorded history, along with arguably the best running game in the league and fantastic special teams, are what won it.

Hell, even in 2012 when the Ravens made a run, they needed great QB play. As debated as Flacco is, and as inconsistent as he can be, he's a talented QB. He shows flashes of that every season, and had one of the best postseason performances ever. Does anybody think Hoyer is capable of that? Because I don't.

[slickdtc]

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Stable **** is still ****.

But we're talking about the Cleveland Browns! It's the same feeling in Buffalo. Kyle Orton isn't the answer for us. But after 15-20 years of absolute **** at QB, stable **** sounds and feels pretty good.

I don't really see a scenario where Hoyer stays. Teams don't spend 1st round picks on QB's and then trade them away before seeing what they've got. But I think having Hoyer to keep the seat warm this season has been a great idea. Manziel will have his time, just allow the team to continue to improve and set your future QB up for success. That's really what this is about, CLE protecting Manziel. Some teams don't have that luxury and have to throw their guy to the wolves, with mixed results. For a franchise like the Browns, many thought they would look to Manziel like they've looked to other players/coaches as their savior and it's never materialized. They're being patient and playing this perfectly. Hoyer will be probably gone next season and Manziel can have a full offseason and preseason of being the guy. If ever a player should have sat for their first year, it was this year with a raw Manziel. There's a reason (many, actually) he fell as far as he did in the draft or why the Browns felt comfortable enough to trade down and then use their OTHER 1st rounder on him. He needed to learn and the Browns with Hoyer was the perfect place.

I do agree that Hoyer isn't taking the Browns to a Super Bowl and eventually you do have to improve at the position. But for a team that's been so bad for so long, marginal upgrades add up. Not every team can go from worst to first. When the time is right, they'll make the big decision. It just hasn't come yet.

[kehlis]

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Nothing really but he fits for Cleveland. He torched my Steelers and not many Browns QBs do that. As a Steelers fan I want him ti fail but as a football fan he's done okay

The Steelers defense torched the Steelers defense that day.

[TracerBullet]

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I wonder how many people have truly looked at what Hoyer has done this year...

Because his stats really say it all. While they win, and Hoyer has come up big in big situations and is great in play action, he is pretty much **** at all other areas.

He has the worst completion % of any starter in the NFL. Recently he has been turning the ball over. He has been missing wide open guys like he was Andy Dalton on MNF.

While he has provided competent play at times this season, there is absolutely no way the Browns should move forward thinking Hoyer should be their guy. Because the Browns can improve at that position by a fairly good margin. Hopefully Manziel is that guy.

Watching the game against Atlanta last week, the Browns should have won by more without having to come back. While Gordon still had a great game, he missed him wide open quite a few times.

[TheRealHST]

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I remember Derek Anderson throwing for nearly 4k and 30 TDS in Cleveland.

I'm just gonna call it like I see it and say if Hoyer wants a long term deal/quality starters money the Browns should say "thanks for the years, see ya later."

He isn't going to be an answer anywhere, even if Johnny turns out to be a dud.

I remember him dueling in the playoffs with Tommy Maddox. ...another QB I would like to forget

[TheRealHST]

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I wonder how many people have truly looked at what Hoyer has done this year...

Because his stats really say it all. While they win, and Hoyer has come up big in big situations and is great in play action, he is pretty much **** at all other areas.

He has the worst completion % of any starter in the NFL. Recently he has been turning the ball over. He has been missing wide open guys like he was Andy Dalton on MNF.

While he has provided competent play at times this season, there is absolutely no way the Browns should move forward thinking Hoyer should be their guy. Because the Browns can improve at that position by a fairly good margin. Hopefully Manziel is that guy.

Oh trust me, I agree with you about him but the Browns see something no-one does

[slickdtc]

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I remember him dueling in the playoffs with Tommy Maddox. ...another QB I would like to forget

Kelly Holcomb??

[TheRealHST]

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Kelly Holcomb??

Oh wow. That is right lol I remember the game being a shootout. That's it

[Majingir]

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How long might it take to watch a game if I skip all commercials and halftime? 90 minutes is my guess(since I hopefully won't skip huddles and stuff this time around,and I'm just adding an extra 30 or so minutes for the parts of the game the clock isn't running).

Instead of watching 2 games back to back and basically going from 1-7pm watching games, might just space things out and watch 4pm game at 7(recorded obviously). Nothing else to really watch tonight, so that's abit extra reasoning to just record the later of the 2 games I'm watching and watch that one in evening.

[N51_rob]

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How long might it take to watch a game if I skip all commercials and halftime? 90 minutes is my guess(since I hopefully won't skip huddles and stuff this time around,and I'm just adding an extra 30 or so minutes for the parts of the game the clock isn't running).

Instead of watching 2 games back to back and basically going from 1-7pm watching games, might just space things out and watch 4pm game at 7(recorded obviously). Nothing else to really watch tonight, so that's abit extra reasoning to just record the later of the 2 games I'm watching and watch that one in evening.

The thanksgiving games with no commercials via Game Rewind had times of 2:23, 2:04 and 2:06 respectively.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I found this on an article written by Greg Cosell of Yahoo! Sports which was about RG3 but I wanted to post an interesting part from it:

Let’s frame the question a different way: What is “talent,” when people talk about quarterbacks? What if your footwork on drops and sets is as bad as any quarterback in the NFL, as is the case with Griffin, which prevents him from being ready to throw and throwing on balance – isn’t that a talent? What if you’re a scatter-shot thrower, like the Carolina Panthers' Cam Newton? You’d think if you’re lacking accuracy, you’re missing a core talent.
Are some of these quarterbacks "talented," as many will say, or are they just big, fast and physical, and can throw the ball through a wall, without having the skills to play quarterback at a high level? Have they examined all the nuances of playing quarterback in the NFL?
To me, at quarterback, you start with accuracy. Ball location. That can be measured; you can see where guys throw a football. And it’s critical in the NFL.
There are a lot of things that need to be understood about reading defenses at quarterback, like researching a defense and identifying it before the snap. Then can you validate what you saw after the snap? Some guys do it right away. Some guys take three steps to do it. The guys who need three steps won’t be as good as those who can do it right away.
What about timing and anticipation? In the NFL, the longer it takes to process things with visual recognition, the tougher it is. You need to recognize things and throw it before receivers break. Then you talk about the ability to stand and deliver. Defenders will be around you. You have to deliver within the route concepts. You need to be able to move within the pocket. A step or two to the right or left, or a step forward to find a more relatively quiet place to deliver the ball within the concept of the offense.

So basically, what do you think "talent" is in regards to the QB Position?