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[slickdtc]

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Without Watt, the Texans are what? A 5 win team?

I think if they made the playoffs being a big swing factor is complete bull****. Because his TEAM wasn't good enough, he's punished. Meanwhile, he practically won them multiple games himself.

He, relative to position, is the most valuable player in the league. You know it when people would take him, a defensive player, over all time greats like Manning, Brady, and Brees if they were forming a team. That's insane!

This basically just solidified the NFL MVP as always going to a QB or a RB who rushed for 2000 yards. It's almost impossible to have a season better then the one Watt just had.

I will say, Houston having 4 sacks the last game and ending with 22 took a slight bit of shine off Watt's season. It left the door open to the fact that someone else did something just that much better then him this year.

[TheShizNo1]

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I'd say the Packers would be worse without Rodgers.

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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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My thing with Watt is that all the offensive candidates played on top 5 offenses and were a huge reason in why they were too 5. Watt was only able to elevate the Houston defense to middle of the pack by a lot of metrics and obviously they didn't make the playoffs either. It's hard to really know how many games they win without him considering their defense wasn't that great even with him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I wouldn't say he no doubt would have won, but he was the most dominant player in the league.

I expected the difference in votes between the two to only be 1-2 votes in all honesty, and I'm a Packer fan.

I figured they'd be co-MVPs.

Can't make a case why Watt shouldn't get it or can't make a case why Rodgers shouldn't get it so why not just give to both of them?

And why exactly did Bobby Wagner get a vote again? Classic case of someone voting just to be "different" from everyone else for no reason. But then again, there are idiots out here that actually believe we'd be better or still be as good without Rodgers so I'm not surprised.

[FaceMask]

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Just busting chops. Watt is awesome.

Yeah, that was brutal. I was impressed by how slippery Romo was there. Romo really impressed me this year. The man just flat out got it done.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Yeah the Packers barely win 2 games without Rodgers. Even if it was Most Outstanding player or best I think the Vote would of been closer but i find it hard to believe the vote would of been any different. I wouldn't of had any problem with a Co-MVP though Watt's year was that good.

[TheShizNo1]

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My thing with Watt is that all the offensive candidates played on top 5 offenses and were a huge reason in why they were too 5. Watt was only able to elevate the Houston defense to middle of the pack by a lot of metrics and obviously they didn't make the playoffs either. It's hard to really know how many games they win without him considering their defense wasn't that great even with him.

This is why sports need a Most Outstanding Player award along with an MVP. Watt would be the MOP while Rodgers would be the MVP.

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[slickdtc]

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Yeah the Packers barely win 2 games without Rodgers. Even if it was Most Outstanding player or best I think the Vote would of been closer but i find it hard to believe the vote would of been any different. I wouldn't of had any problem with a Co-MVP though Watt's year was that good.

I completely disagree with the Packers going from a 2 seed to a 2 win team without Rodgers. Mainly due to past evidence: Matt Flynn, Seneca Wallace, and Scott Tolzien have kept that team afloat in recent seasons with Rodgers out. That's not a knock on Rodgers or those other guys skill, but just a recent example of the Packers surviving without him. Surviving, not thriving.

Rodgers is the best QB in the league right now, in my opinion. But even as a QB and with that distinction, I would take Watt as MVP and not even feel bad about Rodgers. I think Watt should have been awarded the highest honor (DPOY ain't bad!) for his historical season. You pretty much can't do more then he did this season, and while Rodgers was insanely good, he didn't break a TD record or yard record or lead his team to a 16-0, 15-1 season not that that is criteria but he just didn't do anything historical to make him the clear cut MVP.

It's stupid because we all know it's a QB or RB award, I shouldn't be surprised. But name it for them instead. What they should do is have a MVP of each position and name it after a historical player at that position, like CFB.

[BleacherBum2310]

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I completely disagree with the Packers going from a 2 seed to a 2 win team without Rodgers. Mainly due to past evidence: Matt Flynn, Seneca Wallace, and Scott Tolzien have kept that team afloat in recent seasons with Rodgers out. That's not a knock on Rodgers or those other guys skill, but just a recent example of the Packers surviving without him. Surviving, not thriving.

Rodgers is the best QB in the league right now, in my opinion. But even as a QB and with that distinction, I would take Watt as MVP and not even feel bad about Rodgers. I think Watt should have been awarded the highest honor (DPOY ain't bad!) for his historical season. You pretty much can't do more then he did this season, and while Rodgers was insanely good, he didn't break a TD record or yard record or lead his team to a 16-0, 15-1 season not that that is criteria but he just didn't do anything historical to make him the clear cut MVP.

It's stupid because we all know it's a QB or RB award, I shouldn't be surprised. But name it for them instead. What they should do is have a MVP of each position and name it after a historical player at that position, like CFB.

When they went 2-5-1 that took alot of luck just to even get those 2 wins and Eddie Lacy putting the team on his back, but I get it.

No he didn't break any records but his 2nd half play was just about as good as his 2011 MVP season which says something because That's one of the best Quarterbacking Seasons in a while. So, agree to disagree there. Both had Fantastic seasons.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Word of advice: If you're going to use Matt Flynn, Seneca Wallace and Scott Tolzein to say that the Packers can survive or "stay afloat" without A-aron Rodgers, make sure the numbers back up your case because otherwise you're not going to make too much sense saying things like that.

[TheShizNo1]

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My man named backups and journeymen to support the Packers being OK without Rodgers.

Rodgers didn't do anything historical? I'm gonna go need you to look at his touchdown to interception ratio and then actually watch him play.

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[slickdtc]

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Yeah 2-5-1 isn't what I thought they went, but I know Tolzien played well enough after Wallace went down quickly and Flynn came in to hold the spot down.

Still, 2.5 wins in 8 games is better then 2 in 16 that was set as the example.

But like he said, agree to disagree. It's splitting hairs. I just think when it's between offensive and defensive, by virtue of even being considered, the defensive player should be given the nod.

[TheShizNo1]

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Because a player plays defense he should be given the nod? Isn't that just as bad as giving it to the QB that has the best season?

The first thing you're doing as looking as the position they play and not actually how they play.

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[slickdtc]

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My man named backups and journeymen to support the Packers being OK without Rodgers.

Rodgers didn't do anything historical? I'm gonna go need you to look at his touchdown to interception ratio and then actually watch him play.

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I'm acutely aware of how incredible Rodgers was this season. Numbers wise and watching him actually play. Even on one calf.

My point was that Watt has been getting dinged for his team not making the playoffs, when he's one of the only reasons they were even close to making it in the first place.

[TheShizNo1]

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You were valuable enough to get your team to a little above .500. Just doesn't sound right. If we're talking best player or most outstanding, I'm with you. But most valuable? Nah.

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