NFL Off Topic

[ProfessaPackMan]

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People keep brushing off Seattle being 2-4 like it's not a big deal or because of how they ended the regular season last year, but around this time of the year is when you start to see how good/bad teams really are and how good they'll be going forward.


The fact that their Defense(which is the strength of the team)can't even hold leads anymore is concerning because before, once you were down by even a TD, you were already fighting an uphill battle against them.


They're not out of it yet, but they're getting close to the point where they have to play catch up and once you start doing that, your margin of error becomes completely small.

[redsox4evur]

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Anyone see that Darrelle Revis' agent went off on rant last night about him after the 60 Minutes piece on Revis?

Boston beat writer Mike Loyko screenshotted each tweet and then posted them all last night. Pretty interesting read. https://twitter.com/NEPD_Loyko

[muggins]

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Those tweets are almost indecipherable

[wwharton]

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I know things have changed around here and some have gone to twitter to talk in game, but lets PLEASE not turn the off topic thread into the catch all for games that don't have threads. If you want to talk about a game, feel free to create a thread for it if one doesn't already exist.

This thread is ongoing for YEARS... it doesn't need help getting longer. And most importantly, posting about a random play in one of the 6 games going on will be much easier to follow if it's in a thread about the specific game you're talking about.

Ok, mod hat off...

The Ravens continue to confirm they are awful (keep pushing for that top pick) and the Seahawks are exactly what their record says they are. The same is true for the Bengals, the Saints and the Jets. I think the Falcons and Panthers are the most intriguing teams going forward. They both seem to be overachieving, but they've been doing it with injuries, against good teams and in different ways so they may both be for real.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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OK I will give my list in order most scared to least scared unbeaten teams.



Packers

Broncos

Bengals

Panthers





Manning always performs poorly against the Pats but that Defense is probably the best in the league. Packers are a great all-around team. And I think the Bengals are better than the Panthers.

Packers aren't no all around great team right now.

Could easily say they're the 4th best team in that group based upon how they've played as a whole compared to everyone else in that group.

[roadman]

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Packers aren't no all around great team right now.

Could easily say they're the 4th best team in that group based upon how they've played as a whole compared to everyone else in that group.

I think the post was before Rivers exploded for 500 yds yesterday. Even the NFL Network guys ranked the Packers D 3rd out of the top five before yesterdays game.

[dubcity]

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I know things have changed around here and some have gone to twitter to talk in game, but lets PLEASE not turn the off topic thread into the catch all for games that don't have threads. If you want to talk about a game, feel free to create a thread for it if one doesn't already exist.

If that's the case, then mods should automatically generate threads for every game every week, because no one is going to start a game thread in the 4th quarter to talk about the last few minutes of a game. Or just have a catch-all open game thread.

[jWILL253]

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I'm open to the catch-all thread idea.

It's what they do on NeoGAF and it works well enough.

[jWILL253]

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I do wanna say this about Russell Wilson, tho.

Amidst my meltdown yesterday, I went to search for Russell Wilson's stats for the season so far.

124/180 ATT
68.9% completion rate
7 TD
3 INT
1433 YDS
8.0 yards per completion average
251 rush yards
5.6 yards per carry

I know people are gonna take the piss, but truth be told... considering he's on pace to become the most sacked QB in NFL single season history, it's quite remarkable that he's having his best season of his career from the pocket so far. No matter what you feel about him as far as his value is concerned, you have to give him credit for what he's been able to salvage on offense.

I almost want to place Pete Carroll & Tom Cable under citizen's arrest for the criminal negligence of this offensive line.

[wco81]

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They drafted OL high but they haven't panned out?

If they'd signed some OL in free agency, presumably they wouldn't be able to give those big extensions to all their defensive stars as they have done?

[jWILL253]

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They drafted OL high but they haven't panned out?

If they'd signed some OL in free agency, presumably they wouldn't be able to give those big extensions to all their defensive stars as they have done?

The only OL this regime drafted high was Russell Okung & James Carpenter. And Carpenter was a reach.

Everyone else is either a mid-round reach, or a converted defensive lineman. There is murmuring around the league that the NFL is experiencing a drought for quality offensive lineman across the board, but still... this is just pure incompetence, no other way to spin it.

[tripwire]

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I do wanna say this about Russell Wilson, tho.

Amidst my meltdown yesterday, I went to search for Russell Wilson's stats for the season so far.

124/180 ATT
68.9% completion rate
7 TD
3 INT
1433 YDS
8.0 yards per completion average
251 rush yards
5.6 yards per carry

I know people are gonna take the piss, but truth be told... considering he's on pace to become the most sacked QB in NFL single season history, it's quite remarkable that he's having his best season of his career from the pocket so far. No matter what you feel about him as far as his value is concerned, you have to give him credit for what he's been able to salvage on offense.

I almost want to place Pete Carroll & Tom Cable under citizen's arrest for the criminal negligence of this offensive line.

You don't need to post those stats to show that Wilson is not the problem. I've watched enough of him this year to see he is on the cusp of exploding offensively if only his coaches would give him the keys to the car, and at least provide him a mediocre oline. It is criminal what they put in front of him for protection.

I watched Ben go through the same thing in Pitt. It took the coaches awhile before they realized that the key to success going forward was to invest on protecting and open up the O, because the D couldn't carry the torch anymore. From what I'm seeing, that time might have arrived in Seattle.

[thaima1shu]

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The only OL this regime drafted high was Russell Okung & James Carpenter. And Carpenter was a reach.

Everyone else is either a mid-round reach, or a converted defensive lineman. There is murmuring around the league that the NFL is experiencing a drought for quality offensive lineman across the board, but still... this is just pure incompetence, no other way to spin it.

They also took John Moffitt with their 3rd round pick in 2011, same year as Carpenter. Moffitt never panned out and retired couple years ago. Think he tried to make a comeback this year but was cut.

2012 - no offensive linemen drafted other than JR Sweezy in the 7th, who was converted from DL to OL (ok run blocker, terrible pass blocker, but Cable seems to think he's one of the best guards in the league and I have no idea why)

2013 - Ryan Seymour (cut before season started) and Michael Bowie (backup, cut before season started last year) in the 7th round

2014 - Justin Britt (wasn't good at RT, moved to LG this year and is not good) in the 2nd, Garrett Scott (who had to retire due to a heart condition) in the 6th

2015 - Terry Poole (cut before the season started) and Mark Glowinski (I actually liked this pick, currently a backup) in the 4th round. Kristjan Sokoli (another DT convert project) in the 6th.

So when they do try to draft OL higher up, they miss pretty badly. Really not seeing the "genius" of Tom Cable's coaching show up on the field.

And really, it has hampered Russell's development. His numbers are fine this year, and it's an indicator of how good he is that he's done what he has to this point so far. But overall he's going to have a hard time taking that next step if they don't do a better job of drafting o-linemen. He's missing both big plays and routine plays because he's dropping his eyes in the face of the rush at times, trying to escape the pocket too quickly, and generally it has instilled some bad habits into his play.

I'd like to see them focus on getting much better interior linemen. The Saints always emphasized good guards for Brees right? So that the pressure right in his face is mitigated a bit and he can shift around if need be to create throwing lanes. Russell would greatly benefit from that given his height.

[wwharton]

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If that's the case, then mods should automatically generate threads for every game every week, because no one is going to start a game thread in the 4th quarter to talk about the last few minutes of a game. Or just have a catch-all open game thread.

Or, you can just start a thread. It's a forum... just like every other one, the mods don't need to be responsible for starting threads, that's why everyone has the power to do it.

The catch all threads make more sense for sports like baseball, basketball and hockey, bc there are so many games and the bulk of the games aren't only on one day. But we can talk about if that's a change worth making here.

Either way, your post is a really, really poor excuse for a reply to my request to not flood the OT thread. People make threads based on one little story, play, event all the time. If it doesn't get traction it fades away... such is the life of a forum thread.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Rodgers can relate to what Ben went thru with his O-Line issues and what Wilson is going thru as well.


It'll get better eventually, just a matter of when and how soon it will.