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[wco81]

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Difference is, Hardy is still a very effective players while Rice was declining.

So Jerry will give him an extension because the Cowboys need Hardy.

[wwharton]

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Difference is, Hardy is still a very effective players while Rice was declining.

So Jerry will give him an extension because the Cowboys need Hardy.

Honestly, that's not even the difference. If we dig deeper, Rice wasn't even declining. He was coming off an injury plagued year where the line was awful (no running back averaged more than 3.0 ypc). Sure, that's reason enough for some other teams to not want to take a look at him, but the Ravens knew exactly what they had in him, and had every intention on running an offense around him.

The true difference is that people don't want to believe what they know until they're forced to. Then they tend to overreact, almost in attempt to rid themselves of the guilt of not caring more before they saw photos/video. Meanwhile, those people screaming loudly forced the NFL to act recklessly because they still didn't care about anything but their bottom line.

[Speedy]

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Maybe I'm of a different viewpoint.

It's not that Hardy was truly guilty (albeit absolved) in domestic abuse that I find to be insulting and incredulous.

It's the fact he shows no remorse, is not contrite and hasn't learned a thing after these circumstances.

[Jr.]

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I don't get the "it's the pictures" argument. I didn't get it with Rice, didn't get it with AP and don't get it hear either.

What exactly do people think domestic violence looks like? No punishment should be driven by emotion... pictures don't change what happened.

It's the same reason people against abortion use images of dead fetuses, or why the news can talk about death as much as they want, but they won't show images of it.

Without the visual component, it's just some thing you talk about which isn't personal. It's almost as if it isn't actually real. But when you get an image, it becomes visceral and tangible.

EDIT: I'm not saying he should be punished again because there are images now. I'm just talking about the reaction to what he did from the public.

[kingkilla56]

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And there were pictures of her after the attack out long before this if anyone was so inclined. I guess my point is this if we need picture and documents two years after the fact to be "upset" that Greg Hardy still gets to make money playing football, are we any better than the NFL?

People were upset with hardy and him being able to play in the league before these photos came up. So you miss me on that last point you make. People weren't quiet and now all of a sudden outraged. This is more outrage on top of the prior outrage.

As far as the nfl goes, they don't have a leg to stand on trying to go after Greg again. And Jerry isn't cutting him anytime soon. If Greg helps them win games that's all that matters to him his and boys fans.

Oh and I couldn't care less about Greg not being remorseful enough in people's views. He won, he can act however the hell he wants. They collectively let him off the hook scoot free and we expect him to be a changed man? Yeah that's not how remorse works.

[LambertandHam]

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Difference is, Hardy is still a very effective players while Rice was declining.

So Jerry will give him an extension because the Cowboys need Hardy.

Pretty much.

[N51_rob]

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People were upset with hardy and him being able to play in the league before these photos came up. So you miss me on that last point you make. People weren't quiet and now all of a sudden outraged. This is more outrage on top of the prior outrage.

Were they? Greg Hardy had his events happen prior to Ray Rice's and he still played week one last year. It wasn't until after all the Rice stuff happened that Hardy was suspended by the Panthers/NFL.

[Bmore Irish]

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Were they? Greg Hardy had his events happen prior to Ray Rice's and he still played week one last year. It wasn't until after all the Rice stuff happened that Hardy was suspended by the Panthers/NFL.

Of course they were. Were you around any of the numerous times Hardy has been discussed before in this very thread?

Especially after Ray Rice's actions, and that video footage, actually changed the way DV would be handled and viewed in the league, Hardy still being employed in the NFL is going to piss people off.

If you want to to say the Rice ordeal changed the game and how people react, yeah, that's fair. It created an atmosphere where people are actually paying attention, and the media is putting it front and center. We can be cynical about how it took a video to do it, but ultimately it's a good thing.

But to say it took these pictures for people to have something against Greg Hardy? No. Maybe for some, but there are plenty of folks who have thought this dude was human garbage from the get go.

[ggsimmonds]

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Of course they were. Were you around any of the numerous times Hardy has been discussed before in this very thread?

Especially after Ray Rice's actions, and that video footage, actually changed the way DV would be handled and viewed in the league, Hardy still being employed in the NFL is going to piss people off.

If you want to to say the Rice ordeal changed the game and how people react, yeah, that's fair. It created an atmosphere where people are actually paying attention, and the media is putting it front and center. We can be cynical about how it took a video to do it, but ultimately it's a good thing.

But to say it took these pictures for people to have something against Greg Hardy? No. Maybe for some, but there are plenty of folks who have thought this dude was human garbage from the get go.

I think what N51 was alluding to was the fact that the outrage over Hardy was largely limited to football circles and DV "watchers." It didn't become a mainstream story like Rice did.

I do dislike how pictures/video changes things and people's judgement. It happens with everything. Someone above cited abortion, and I recently experienced it with ISIS. I was discussing the beheadings with a friend and he said it was not our problem; we shouldn't risk sending troops over there to deal with it. Due to a hunch I showed him one of the beheading videos. Now he thinks ISIS is an evil that absolutely must be eliminated. Funny how that works.

[N51_rob]

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I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't really up in here a lot in May of last year (and too lazy to scroll through a lot of posts.) so if that was the sentiment here, that is fine, but I know that it wasn't the one in the media. They didn't really start going in until after the Rice news/video surfaced.

[ggsimmonds]

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So Jerry Jones is sticking to his guns (oops) and defending having Hardy on the team, and ESPN is revving up the outrage machine.

I wonder how this plays out? Jerry is stubborn, but once the media is against you very few withstand it.

I kinda think it comes back to Romo. If Jerry realizes that the Cowboys are out of contention due to the Romo injury, he may release Hardy.

Then there is Ray Rice. The chances of him playing in the NFL again were slim to begin with. This all but eliminates it the chance completely.

[mestevo]

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I think it will take another incident to get Hardy cut and there are too many RBs with less baggage available for Rice to get a job is all.

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[N51_rob]

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Depends on the incident. Hardy is too young and too good to be shunned by the league. Especially a league where the best way to defend the pass is to rush the QB.

I'm complicit in that given my support and I'd be lying if I didn't admit my excitement of having Junior Gallette replace Orakpo on the right side of the Redskins pass rush. We all rant and rave but it's business as usual for the NFL they don't hold themselves up as a haven for choir boys and us fans don't seem to care.


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[jWILL253]

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Donald Sterling got kicked from the NBA over some stuff he said on tape in the privacy of his own home. And he was an owner.

No one is too big to be immune to public outrage.

[Speedy]

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Depends on the incident. Hardy is too young and too good to be shunned by the league. Especially a league where the best way to defend the pass is to rush the QB.

... We all rant and rave but it's business as usual for the NFL they don't hold themselves up as a haven for choir boys and us fans don't seem to care.

I disagree. I think public perception has greatly influenced the league in the past year. That said, I think the league office has washed its hands of Hardy in saying they tried to suspend him but the NFLPA is the culprit in reducing the number of games.

If anything will be done to him...the onus is on Dallas. If Jerry Jones was able to sustain Irvin's drug issues, Deion's ego, TO's tyrades, and even FIRE a top 10 coach in the league (crippling a promising dynasty), he is thinking to himself that Hardy is no different and more so, no player is going to make Jerry Jones look like a fool.