Best QB in the NFL

[jamie1981]

Eli is a real real real good QB, but he is not Top 3.

One of these days we will come to the realization that we give QBs too much credit and too much blame.

Rodgers
Brady
Brees

Thank you! If a QB wins a superbowl, it doesn't make him elite. If he doesn't win, it doesn't mean he isn't an elite QB.

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[Rocky]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

Greg Jennings is elite no doubt but everyone else is average. Finley is a talented te who has a case of the drops. Their run game sucks an OL is average at best. That's my view on his surrounding talent.

I think you can certainly make the case that Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, and Finley are perhaps the best 1-5 receiving targets in the league. Jennings and Driver have been solid before Rodgers became the starter so Rodgers definitely has some talent around him.

He's still one of the best but I just would not put him over Brady whose transformed from a tough ball control qb, to a deep passing attack QB, to a spread QB and has remained great throughout all different types of receivers and coordinators.

[BleacherBum2310]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees

I think it's pretty clear.

[wwharton]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

You are right, however, it is a decent argument to make.

Brady did a lot with much less in his early NE years.

Not really... that's the argument for people who think the offense and defense play on separate teams. This isn't a knock on Brady but the early years you're talking about, NE had a ball control offense with top defenses and consistent special teams. If we're looking at the entire team, I'd say he had more talent early on than now.

I think you can certainly make the case that Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, and Finley are perhaps the best 1-5 receiving targets in the league. Jennings and Driver have been solid before Rodgers became the starter so Rodgers definitely has some talent around him.

He's still one of the best but I just would not put him over Brady whose transformed from a tough ball control qb, to a deep passing attack QB, to a spread QB and has remained great throughout all different types of receivers and coordinators.

That's all true about Brady but I don't know how anyone can knock a rank of a player bc they haven't been put in position to do what another player has had a chance to. And Driver doesn't deserve a place in this discussion. He may be the 5th option on that team at this point. He's not the player you're talking about, who was putting up stats with Favre... and can we really say they were all good before Rodgers with no connection to the HOF QB that was passing them the ball then too?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I might be the only guy on the planet who think Rodgers is slightly overrated. He's great...no doubt, but he has lot of talent around him and when the talent doesn't play well, he doesnt play quite as well. I think Brady is better at making his teammates better and flat out winning.

Run game has been average for years and so has the O-Line so basically what you're saying is when the WRs are dropping passes or turning the ball over, then Rodgers doesn't play well.

Congratulations, you've just described every single QB that has played in the NFL.

[OriolesFanRD]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

Joe Flacco

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[Rocky]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

That's all true about Brady but I don't know how anyone can knock a rank of a player bc they haven't been put in position to do what another player has had a chance to. And Driver doesn't deserve a place in this discussion. He may be the 5th option on that team at this point. He's not the player you're talking about, who was putting up stats with Favre... and can we really say they were all good before Rodgers with no connection to the HOF QB that was passing them the ball then too?

I think when comparing two players, it's fair to compare the offensive talent around them especially in football. I don't think I'm knocking Rodgers by preferring a QB whose proven he can withstand a shift in schemes and losses of players due to whatever reasons. Could Rodgers do the same? I think absolutely but hasn't consistently proven it like Brady. And my point about Driver is that he inherited good talent but really started to take off when Finley, Nelson, and Jones became consistent threats. I think Driver as a 5th option says alot about the team.

[wwharton]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

I think when comparing two players, it's fair to compare the offensive talent around them especially in football. I don't think I'm knocking Rodgers by preferring a QB whose proven he can withstand a shift in schemes and losses of players due to whatever reasons. Could Rodgers do the same? I think absolutely but hasn't consistently proven it like Brady. And my point about Driver is that he inherited good talent but really started to take off when Finley, Nelson, and Jones became consistent threats. I think Driver as a 5th option says alot about the team.

I don't think there's anything wrong with picking Brady... for many reasons. I just don't think this is a good one. Starting with the offensive talent around them part, this suggests that the more "offensive" talent a QB has the lower they should be ranked than another who is lacking. That doesn't make sense, and Peyton Manning, Joe Montana and many others would agree that it doesn't.

Second, by stating Brady is better bc over his looooong career he's had to deal with different situations that Rodgers hasn't been forced to deal with also doesn't make sense. No two situations can be created equal. I'm not sure how you can credit or knock a player in this way for things happening around them.

Finally, Driver being the 5th option only says the Packers respect him and value all he's done for them over the years... he'd probably be cut if he were on another team. He's no longer the player you think he is. BTW, Finley and Jones are far from consistent threats and Nelson's only done it for 1 full season. But even if we go back to when Driver was good, he had Brett Favre throwing to him. It's not like an average QB was throwing to these star WRs and then Rodgers inherited them. It's more like this group of WRs have been lucky enough to only have great QBs throwing them the ball.

[Rocky]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

I don't think there's anything wrong with picking Brady... for many reasons. I just don't think this is a good one. Starting with the offensive talent around them part, this suggests that the more "offensive" talent a QB has the lower they should be ranked than another who is lacking. That doesn't make sense, and Peyton Manning, Joe Montana and many others would agree that it doesn't.

Second, by stating Brady is better bc over his looooong career he's had to deal with different situations that Rodgers hasn't been forced to deal with also doesn't make sense. No two situations can be created equal. I'm not sure how you can credit or knock a player in this way for things happening around them.

See, I disagree...when having two players who seem to be equal to each other, I think the 'talent' argument comes into play. I think it's fair criteria, especially in football. Historically, fans compare it all the time...think Elway in the '80's, Aikman in the '90's, the Barry/Emmitt debates, even the Brady/Manning debates. Is it necessarily 'fair'? No. But it does come into play in many of these debates. And when asked in this debate, I think it's fair to choose Brady whose proven he can be historically great with tons of talent but always keep his team in contention no matter what's around him.

[roadman]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

I might be the only guy on the planet who think Rodgers is slightly overrated. He's great...no doubt, but he has lot of talent around him and when the talent doesn't play well, he doesnt play quite as well. I think Brady is better at making his teammates better and flat out winning.

Yeah, your right, you are the only one on the planet.

Just for the record, my vote goes for Brady for longevity, and that is it. I could say Brady is slightly over-rated because he goes out for the year and insert Matt Cassell. 5 yrs ago I knew the whole OL starting lineup for the Pats, today, I don't know the Packers starting 5. Moss is one of the greatest WR's of this era.

Last year, Rodgers had to outscore the last ranked defense in the league to win games.(yes, Packers ranked #31) Plus, his starting OL only went to went various injuries throughout the season. Plus, Rodgers can escape traffic as well. I don't think Rodgers has had a 1000 yd back, either.

No, Rodgers isn't slightly over-rated with having one of the best passer ratings ever.

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Re: Best QB in the NFL

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[z Revis]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

I'm surprised people are still putting Peyton up there. Personally I think his years of being one of the best are gone. I really hope I'm wrong though. One thing he does have on his side as he goes down the last stretches of his career, are his smarts. He's not so much a physical or athletic freak, and when we think of Peyton we don't think of his physical abilities, we generally think of his intelligence and work ethic. So, no matter how many surgeries he has, minus brain surgery, the mental side of his game will never leave.

[Champion8877]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3. Peyton Manning
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800. Jamarcus Russel
801. Tom Brady

But in all seriousness Tom Brady would probably be 4, as much as I can't stand the guy and hate to admit he is a top end quarterback.

[Brandon13]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

1.) Brees/Brady/Rodgers
4.) Peyton(?)/Eli
6.) Roethlisberger

[wwharton]

Re: Best QB in the NFL

See, I disagree...when having two players who seem to be equal to each other, I think the 'talent' argument comes into play. I think it's fair criteria, especially in football. Historically, fans compare it all the time...think Elway in the '80's, Aikman in the '90's, the Barry/Emmitt debates, even the Brady/Manning debates. Is it necessarily 'fair'? No. But it does come into play in many of these debates. And when asked in this debate, I think it's fair to choose Brady whose proven he can be historically great with tons of talent but always keep his team in contention no matter what's around him.

Your words, "Is it necessarily 'fair'? No." and that's all that needs to be said. Whether others bring it up or not, if you don't believe it's fair then it doesn't make sense in a defense, no? Honestly, I never really get into rankings bc there's always a flaw in going beyond the talent. So Brady is as good a pick as any of them.

I'm surprised people are still putting Peyton up there. Personally I think his years of being one of the best are gone. I really hope I'm wrong though. One thing he does have on his side as he goes down the last stretches of his career, are his smarts. He's not so much a physical or athletic freak, and when we think of Peyton we don't think of his physical abilities, we generally think of his intelligence and work ethic. So, no matter how many surgeries he has, minus brain surgery, the mental side of his game will never leave.

I don't think healthy Peyton will be much different. He was dealing with this while he was playing and still looked pretty damn good. He reads the defense and gets the ball out quick enough to not be touched much. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt for that alone. I think the problem is if one hit will knock him out for the year, and when that hit might come. I wouldn't pick him over everyone else to try to take my team to the SB. But if I only need him for the SB, I'd still say he's as good as anybody else... at least.