NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

[wwharton]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

These last 2 weeks it seems teams are starting to gameplan more efficiently against RG3. Maybe this is just a spike, but if it becomes a trend, the rest of the offense needs to step up and help him out.

RG3 was throwing bullets against the tough Steelers D who did a great job against the running game which SHOULD "expose" him. The WRs dropped 11 passes. There is a reason Reggie Wayne is tops in the leagues in targets. Because he's the only target worth a damn on that team and RG3 doesn't have that... the guys he had that were somewhat close (Garcon and Fred Davis) are hurt. Not a knock on Luck or a vote for RG3, just pointing out the flaws in your logic here.

Stats don't matter when a team that is in the so called 'rebuilding' process is actually pushing for the playoffs. Same goes for the Dolphins in that sense.

Colts are 2nd in their division, two games behind a very good Houston team. The Redskins are last in a divison where Philly once again is failing to live up to expectations, and the Cowboys are just not very good.

Good stats or bad stats, Andrew Luck is leading his 'rebuilding' team towards a playoff berth. RGIII is not.

As mentioned, the entire team determines how well they'll do. Both QBs are doing an amazing job making their teams look better than they are. If you take the Wayne factor and add the HUGE holes in the already poor Skins D (very good run D lost the entire right side and starting safety) and factor in the schedule, Luck's TEAM should be doing better than the Skins.

Personally I think both QBs are having amazing rookie seasons, with the rest of the class keeping up pace as well.

[Sidion]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

If only Russell Wilson had any remnants of NFL quality receivers, I think he would be in the discussion.

I think next to Luck, he has the BEST WR core of the Rookie QB's.

And if we're using the pure talent around him as a barometer one way or another wouldn't Tannehill be the *best* rookie QB?

I also think it's all hugely misleading as well. Luck is the new NFL darling. He gets all the press (Even when another rookie does better than him in a week), and he's credited for every win his team gets.

Mind you some of it is deserved, I mean the kid doesn't have a running game, the defense is hot and cold, and outside of 2 or 3 names the WR core is a bunch of nobodies.

I just think people are *looking* too hard instead of watching the tape. His stats are completely misleading. When you're throwing a couple throws shy of Drew Brees and Matt Stafford as a rookie your numbers would have to be crazy high. (Unless you're a bust which Luck looks more and more like he wont be.)

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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I'd say Luck. I feel like he is picking up the game quicker than RGIII. I don't have any empirical proof to back my argument up though. I just get the feeling he is progressing better than RGIII based on what I have seen.

[N51_rob]

I'd say Luck. I feel like he is picking up the game quicker than RGIII. I don't have any empirical proof to back my argument up though. I just get the feeling he is progressing better than RGIII based on what I have seen.

I find these statements amusing. Not saying you're wrong. Both QBs are completing a high percentage of their throws. Anyone who has watched Washington can see the offense is RGIII a 6th round running back and a group of below average pass drop...er catchers.

Not saying Luck has more, but I'd trade every receiver on the skins roster right now for Reggie Wayne.

Wwharton has mentioned the schedule, it's a lot easier to look like you are progressing when you are playing a soft schedule.

But I'm a skins fan so I am clearly a little (or a lot) biased.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

Lucks going to win the rookie award because his team may sneak into the playoffs. Personally I like him better then RGIII only because RGIII comes off as a douche to me.

People were saying that Reggie Wayne was done. He's still showing to be a damn good WR an with a good QB throwing to him he is having a resurgence.

I'm a huge Russle Wilson fan an I think he has played as well as any QB. His WRs along with RGIII WRs drop a ton of catches.

Tannerhill is starting to impress me. He looked awful at first but has gotten better every game.

[Marino]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

I would say Luck, but I am also very happy about how Tannehill is playing.

[z Revis]

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Regardless of who wins, this QB class is quite impressive. I honestly didn't expect much from Tannehill or Wilson. Looks like this class could be an '04 type, or better.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

Yea obviously we are judging off one season so far an defense will be Ritter prepared next season with more tape on these guys but they are looking damn good so far.

Weeden hasn't gotten much mention but I seem him make better throws then any other rookie an hes surrounded by crap on offense. His best offensive weapons are rookies like him.

[ghettogeeksta]

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I gotta go with Luck, RG3 season would be better stat wise if Shananhan knew how to use him. The need to stop it with all those designed run plays and roll outs with RG3, they are stunting his growth! Griffin has a strong arm, good accuracy, and calm in the pocket (when he has time), they need to let the man throw the ball more, and let him decide when to take off running.

[12]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

So far it's Luck, but at the danger of sounding like a homer, I am putting Russell Wilson right there with him.

Wilson is #1 in the entire NFL for QB rating at home. I've said before that he needs to carry some of that success over to the road, but he is putting up a monster rookie season and the Seahawks are in the playoff hunt. 15 TD and completing 62 percent of his passes through 10 games with an average receiving corps speaks volumes to his ability.

Luck is the class of the rookie QB's, with RG3 and Wilson right there under him. People are going to always doubt him because of his size, but if you watch him play, his size is not a concern. He sits deep in the pocket and has a high release, so he does not get many balls batted down at the line of scrimmage. He's smart, and he has the drive to succeed. I think he's making quite a few people here quietly eat their words a little bit.

I hope that Carroll continues to open things up for Wilson because the rookie is responding well. He still has a long way to go. He tends to get happy feet and needs to work on that. He throws a beautiful deep ball, but sometimes it's ill-advised and he throws into double and sometimes triple coverage.

Again - Luck is my choice, but Wilson deserves to be in the mix.

On a bit of an unrelated note, I am not sure why some said that people were calling for Flynn. The ones that did were in the minority. Wilson has been pretty solid from the start.

[N51_rob]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

Pro Football Focus has been tracking this all year.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/20/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-week-11/

They have it pretty interesting. The rest of their top 10 are position players.

1. RGIII
2. Wilson
3. Luck

[55]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

Barring injury, there is no way that Luck isn't the ORotY at this stage.

[N51_rob]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

I guess if team records are the only thing you are looking at. In about 130 fewer passing attempts RGIII has as many TD passes as Luck (12). He has thrown 3 ints to Luck's 12. RGIII has added 613 rushing yards and 6 TDs. Luck in far fewer rushes has 5 rushing TDs. Luck throws 31% of his passes to a future HoF, while RGIII throws to the island of misfit receivers.

Luck may very well win the ROY, but with 6 games left, and the Redskins somehow still having a (slim) mathematical chance at the playoffs its far from over.

[thaima1shu]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

Pro Football Focus has been tracking this all year.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/20/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-week-11/

They have it pretty interesting. The rest of their top 10 are position players.

1. RGIII
2. Wilson
3. Luck

I'm enjoying the fact that Russell Wilson as a 3rd round pick is even being mentioned right up there with the number 1 and 2 picks of the draft, and playing better than two other first rounders in Weeden and Tannehill. But I thought he was too short to play in the NFL?

[N51_rob]

Re: NFL | Who has the better rookie season at QB?

Only in Australian Rules football I think.