MVP Discussion Thread

[mestevo]

The flaw in that comparison is the role of their positions with a lead. Manning doesn't need to keep chucking it long when they played with a lead. Vikings, lead or otherwise can just keep handing it off either way. His production is great, but that comparison is nowhere close to apples-to-apples.

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[TheShizNo1]

The flaw in that comparison is the role of their positions with a lead. Manning doesn't need to keep chucking it long when they played with a lead. Vikings, lead or otherwise can just keep handing it off either way. His production is great, but that comparison is nowhere close to apples-to-apples.

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Wait, you're going to punish him for doing his job?

[Jr.]

Re: MVP Discussion Thread

The flaw in that comparison is the role of their positions with a lead. Manning doesn't need to keep chucking it long when they played with a lead. Vikings, lead or otherwise can just keep handing it off either way. His production is great, but that comparison is nowhere close to apples-to-apples.

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His argument is basically comparing AD's YPC against other great seasons against Manning's YPA to other great seasons. It has nothing to do with when those yards came. I don't know where your disagreement is coming from.

[shotgun styles]

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His argument is basically comparing AD's YPC against other great seasons against Manning's YPA to other great seasons. It has nothing to do with when those yards came. I don't know where your disagreement is coming from.

Don't matta doe...

Any choice between QBs is a tough one for these voters. Any choice between a QB and a HB is a done deal.

AP will not win MVP. Period. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.

[jth1331]

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Bill Barnwell (writer for Grantland) has a great article explaining why he thinks Adrian Peterson should win the MVP.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...t-week-17-news

I'm sorry, but this article is mainly discussing how great a statistical year Peterson is having, such as Offensive Player of the Year.
I also don't like people bringing up the fact the Broncos went 8-8 and won a playoff game last year.
Both Manning and Peterson raised their teams to new levels, Manning took a fringe playoff team, and got them to be the #1 seed in the AFC and a serious Super Bowl threat. Peterson raised the Vikings from a poor team, to a playoff team.

[z Revis]

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Let's pretend like the Broncos didn't win games by way of unexplained Tebow miracles last year and say that they were a good 8 win Playoff team... Even still Peyton brought them to 13 wins. I don't see how you can discredit him for bringing a fringe Playoff team, that in most years wouldn't get in at 8 wins, to a Super Bowl favorite.

[Jr.]

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I'm sorry, but this article is mainly discussing how great a statistical year Peterson is having, such as Offensive Player of the Year.
I also don't like people bringing up the fact the Broncos went 8-8 and won a playoff game last year.
Both Manning and Peterson raised their teams to new levels, Manning took a fringe playoff team, and got them to be the #1 seed in the AFC and a serious Super Bowl threat. Peterson raised the Vikings from a poor team, to a playoff team.

MVP is about statistics as well, which is why you never see linemen win it even though they are some of the most valuable players on any team.

[Bmore Irish]

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I never thought about the split MVP possibility this year, but I could live with that. Idk though, AD has come up only 9 yards short of a long standing and seemingly unbreakable single season record, and he is as valuable as any non-QB player can possibly be in today's league imo. His team is in the playoffs, so that means a lot, 6 YPC is just incredible, especially the way teams load the box against them, and it seemed to me that the threat of AD alone is what facilitated the ability to make the passing plays to get a must-win against GB. Plus every time I watch the guy run the ball this season it looks like he's doing it all himself.

[mestevo]

Co-mvp isn't going to happen, unlikely to get an even split of votes. When Manning and McNair shared MVP they got 16 votes each, with 18 votes going to 4 other players.

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[bigbob]

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Let's pretend like the Broncos didn't win games by way of unexplained Tebow miracles last year and say that they were a good 8 win Playoff team... Even still Peyton brought them to 13 wins. I don't see how you can discredit him for bringing a fringe Playoff team, that in most years wouldn't get in at 8 wins, to a Super Bowl favorite.

Then you can't discredit Peterson for carrying a 3-win team to 10-wins and a playoff berth after most "experts" predicted them to once again have a Top 3 pick in the Draft.

If we're going to credit Manning for taking the Broncos from 8 to 13 wins, credit Peterson for taking the Vikings from 3 wins to 10.

[55]

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For those who keep praising Peterson's 6.0 YPC this year, keep in mind that C.J. Spiller also averaged the same amount and did so on a terrible team. I'm not trying to discredit what Peterson accomplished this year by any means, but it's not unheard of for a guy to average 6.0 YPC in a season. Hell, Jamaal Charles had a 6.4 YPC in 2010.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Just to be clear, the main reason for Manning winning MVP this year is because he added 5 more wins for the Broncos, right? Just want to make sure that's what people are saying before I type my next response.

[kehlis]

Just to be clear, the main reason for Manning winning MVP this year is because he added 5 more wins for the Broncos, right? Just want to make sure that's what people are saying before I type my next response.

It's not the point I've tried to make...

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Well aside from the "he taught the Offense", the wins certainly do play a big factor in it, right?

[kehlis]

Well aside from the "he taught the Offense", the wins certainly do play a big factor in it, right?

Certainly.

We are talking about two players who play different positions. Each have had a tremendous season and since its hard to compare stats at different positions, we are left to try and do that Nd then compare other factors.

To me, the role he's played with this team since arriving has been unbelievable. He's put up record numbers and has played lights out since the Falcons game.

And I know you already know this since its been talked about several times but last years Broncos team may have won 8 games, but they were not an 8 win team no matter what some would like to believe.