MVP Discussion Thread

[Jr.]

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For those who keep praising Peterson's 6.0 YPC this year, keep in mind that C.J. Spiller also averaged the same amount and did so on a terrible team. I'm not trying to discredit what Peterson accomplished this year by any means, but it's not unheard of for a guy to average 6.0 YPC in a season. Hell, Jamaal Charles had a 6.4 YPC in 2010.

It's the number of carries that AD had while maintaining a 6.0 YPC that makes it so impressive.

[wwharton]

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My point was the Broncos were already a decent team. It's not like AP where without the AP, the Vikings would probably be nothing. There's a difference between talking about how good the team already was before Manning was on the team, and saying a player should be voted MVP over the other candidate because he didn't play last year.

Don't really get this argument either though. The Vikings played last year too... AP was on that team. If you're going to bring up what happened last year, he was a part of the garbage they put out there, and wasn't exactly chopped liver. The "if AP wasn't there they'd win 3 games" argument makes no sense. There's no way of knowing how many games any team would win without any player, and I certainly don't want MVP awards decided by what ifs.

Co-mvp isn't going to happen, unlikely to get an even split of votes. When Manning and McNair shared MVP they got 16 votes each, with 18 votes going to 4 other players.

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I think this would be a good time for me to say again... that year Manning and McNair split the vote Jamal Lewis ran for 31 less yards than AP this year, had one more TD, and led his team to a 10-6 division winning record... he got the offensive player of the year award.

People may not like it but are we talking about what we want or what we think will happen. Because this is a pretty much mirrored case of what history shows in a situation like this.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Certainly.

We are talking about two players who play different positions. Each have had a tremendous season and since its hard to compare stats at different positions, we are left to try and do that Nd then compare other factors.

To me, the role he's played with this team since arriving has been unbelievable. He's put up record numbers and has played lights out since the Falcons game.

And I know you already know this since its been talked about several times but last years Broncos team may have won 8 games, but they were not an 8 win team no matter what some would like to believe.

I was actually going to make the case for Rodgers, that's why I asked if the 5 extra wins were the difference.

[kingkilla56]

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AD is still my MVP. To do what he did on that team is amazing. He is the 2012 Minnesota Vikings. Without him they are picking top 3 for the second year in a row.

[kehlis]

I was actually going to make the case for Rodgers, that's why I asked if the 5 extra wins were the difference.

It's odd no one has brought him up because he has a great argument.

[wwharton]

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I was actually going to make the case for Rodgers, that's why I asked if the 5 extra wins were the difference.

I'd really like you to start making a case for Rodgers. 1) because he deserves it and 2) it'd be nice to talk about someone else besides AP and Manning.

[JODYE]

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Well, so much for that "Vikings not making the playoffs" argument against AP.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'd really like you to start making a case for Rodgers. 1) because he deserves it and 2) it'd be nice to talk about someone else besides AP and Manning.

Completed 67% of his passes, threw for 4295 Yds, 41 TDs(2 Rushing TDs)and only 8 INTs and had the best QB Rating in the league with 108 rating despite being the most sacked QB in the league and being without his Top 2 WRs(Jennings/Nelson)for half of the season and helping the team win it's 2nd straight NFC North Title.

What hurts HIM the MOST: Going from 15-1 to 11-5(*cough*Fail Mary*cough*)and his performance last year because now people expect him to have that kind of year every year. He's a Victim of his own Success in this case.

[wwharton]

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Completed 67% of his passes, threw for 4295 Yds, 41 TDs(2 Rushing TDs)and only 8 INTs and had the best QB Rating in the league with 108 rating despite being the most sacked QB in the league and being without his Top 2 WRs(Jennings/Nelson)for half of the season and helping the team win it's 2nd straight NFC North Title.

What hurts HIM the MOST: Going from 15-1 to 11-5(*cough*Fail Mary*cough*)and his performance last year because now people expect him to have that kind of year every year. He's a Victim of his own Success in this case.

Well there you go... he won 4 less games so he's out, lol.

Seriously though, I think what hurts him most is the slow start by GB. Manning had the comeback to keep eyes on him when the team was going through growing pains early on. Rodgers had insane expectations keeping them away.

I think what will ultimately hurt him is that nobody is talking about him. Too bad that it works that way but you don't usually get a surprise MVP winner.

[z Revis]

I think the Packers losing last Sunday hurts him the most, and the performance AP had in that win. Now everyone is talking about AP carrying the Vikings to the Playoffs, instead of what would have otherwise been Rodgers great performance in a win that secured a bye week.


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[BleacherBum2310]

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I have been on The Rodger case for a while.

Also Packers don't have one running back that has 500 yards. I agree though, the bad start hurt him. Look at his stats after that point, their insane.

[N51_rob]

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Completed 67% of his passes, threw for 4295 Yds, 41 TDs(2 Rushing TDs)and only 8 INTs and had the best QB Rating in the league with 108 rating despite being the most sacked QB in the league and being without his Top 2 WRs(Jennings/Nelson)for half of the season and helping the team win it's 2nd straight NFC North Title.

What hurts HIM the MOST: Going from 15-1 to 11-5(*cough*Fail Mary*cough*)and his performance last year because now people expect him to have that kind of year every year. He's a Victim of his own Success in this case.

But Matt Stafford and Drew Brees threw for 5,000 yards!!! :wink: You have made a strong case. At the very least Rogers will siphon enough mid-west votes away from AP to make sure that Manning wins it. (oh wait this isn't like the Heisman Vote.)

[bichettehappens]

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If AP doesn't win MVP with the type of season he had, under those circumstances and considering the fact he carried the team... I don't see how another RB can truly be more deserving of the award in the modern pass-happy era of football. Manning and Rodgers had wonderful seasons in their own right, and I'd even argue that Rodgers is more deserving/valuable than Manning this year, but I think AP beats them both out pretty clearly, at least in my opinion. I'm just shocked the Vikings went from 3-13 to the playoffs, remarkable season.

[bichettehappens]

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I think this would be a good time for me to say again... that year Manning and McNair split the vote Jamal Lewis ran for 31 less yards than AP this year, had one more TD, and led his team to a 10-6 division winning record... he got the offensive player of the year award.

People may not like it but are we talking about what we want or what we think will happen. Because this is a pretty much mirrored case of what history shows in a situation like this.

Well one main difference would be the 3rd-ranked 2003 Ravens defense vs the 2012 Vikings 16th-ranked D. Denver D this year ranks 2nd whereas the Colts and Titans defenses were 11th and 12th in 2003, respectively. I guess it just comes down to how much of a difference the voters feel that made on their values to their teams.

[kehlis]

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Well one main difference would be the 3rd-ranked 2003 Ravens defense vs the 2012 Vikings 16th-ranked D. Denver D this year ranks 2nd whereas the Colts and Titans defenses were 11th and 12th in 2003, respectively. I guess it just comes down to how much of a difference the voters feel that made on their values to their teams.

I don't know why I have to keep pointing this out but the Denver D that you are using to discredit Manning this year, (with the exception of dt Derek Wolfe) was ranked 20th last year.

They have benefited greatly from being off the field this year because of what Manning has done with the offense. That's pretty much the definition of someone being valuable to your team.