MVP Discussion Thread

[LBzrule]

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My pick is J.J. Watt. To me he is the guy that has separated himself from everyone else at his position. QB's in contention are interchangeable, there is no one at Watt's level at his position right now and nobody is impacting games like this guy. I'd give him MVP and Tillman DPOY. But because the NFL is an "offensive league" Watt will not win MVP.

[mestevo]

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Right now I'd say Manning.

Watt and Von Miller dueling over DPOY, Luck OROY, AP maybe getting a consolation Comeback POY honor (though Manning probably take that too).

[kehlis]

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My pick is J.J. Watt. To me he is the guy that has separated himself from everyone else at his position. QB's in contention are interchangeable, there is no one at Watt's level at his position right now and nobody is impacting games like this guy. I'd give him MVP and Tillman DPOY. But because the NFL is an "offensive league" Watt will not win MVP.

I know they aren't the same position but Von Miller is impacting the Denver defense nearly on the same level as Watt is impacting the Texans defense.

I'm not claiming Miller is better, but if you are going to make an argument for MVP for Watt because of his impact, Miller would have to be included as well.

[jth1331]

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I know they aren't the same position but Von Miller is impacting the Denver defense nearly on the same level as Watt is impacting the Texans defense.

I'm not claiming Miller is better, but if you are going to make an argument for MVP for Watt because of his impact, Miller would have to be included as well.

This right here. Miller and Watt at this point, are identical in their impacts on their respective teams defense, and both playing on another level.

[z Revis]

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I'd be very surprised if Peyton doesn't win it.

[cusefan74]

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I'd be very surprised if Peyton doesn't win it.

I think he deserves it after not playing at all last year. He as been great all year.

[Chrisksaint]

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Between Rodgers and Manning for me as of right now, Brees could be a wild card if he somehow manages to lead his team to a playoff spot but that's unlikely right now with their tough schedule down the stretch

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

Brees isn't winning over Manning or Rodgers even if the Saints win out. Manning story combined with his amazing stats are to great for anyone to over come. He's a feel good story that will be milked to death.

[ABR173rd]

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Brees isn't winning over Manning or Rodgers even if the Saints win out. Manning story combined with his amazing stats are to great for anyone to over come. He's a feel good story that will be milked to death.

I wouldn't go that far, and it also depends on what your definition of MVP is. I don't think Brees would be a lock if the Saints win out, but if starting out 0-4 and finishing up with an 11-5 record with no major personnel additions doesn't put you into the conversation I don't know what does. And I'm not really sure what you mean by his amazing stats, hes thrown two less Int's than Brees and has a lightly better passer rating, Brees has him beat in passing TD's, rushing TDs, and passing yards.

I didn't even go over to Rodgers' stats but I'm sure they're comparable if not better than Manning's. So yes, I think he will probably get it due to his come back story but I don't feel he deserves it more than a couple other players. If anything you could make a stronger argument for Von Miller who has been a fixture on that defense for the past two seasons before going with Manning.

[wwharton]

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I wouldn't go that far, and it also depends on what your definition of MVP is. I don't think Brees would be a lock if the Saints win out, but if starting out 0-4 and finishing up with an 11-5 record with no major personnel additions doesn't put you into the conversation I don't know what does. And I'm not really sure what you mean by his amazing stats, hes thrown two less Int's than Brees and has a lightly better passer rating, Brees has him beat in passing TD's, rushing TDs, and passing yards.

I didn't even go over to Rodgers' stats but I'm sure they're comparable if not better than Manning's. So yes, I think he will probably get it due to his come back story but I don't feel he deserves it more than a couple other players. If anything you could make a stronger argument for Von Miller who has been a fixture on that defense for the past two seasons before going with Manning.

What does the 0-4 start mean in this debate? Wasn't Brees the QB when they started 0-4?

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

What does the 0-4 start mean in this debate? Wasn't Brees the QB when they started 0-4?

Exactly. Bree's was qbing the 0-4 team. So I could care less if they win out. Doesn't change the fact that they were 0-4

[NDAlum]

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I'll take Manning and AP #2

Both have great comeback stories

[ABR173rd]

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What does the 0-4 start mean in this debate? Wasn't Brees the QB when they started 0-4?

It means pretty much the same thing as every other point thats been brought up in this debate. How many other teams have came out of an 0-4 hole and finished a season 11-5 recently? This is all hypothetical at this point but if it happens would it have been possible without Brees? That's why I stated it really depends on what your personal definition is of MVP.

[wwharton]

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It means pretty much the same thing as every other point thats been brought up in this debate. How many other teams have came out of an 0-4 hole and finished a season 11-6 recently? This is all hypothetical at this point but if it happens would it have been possible without Brees? That's why I stated it really depends on what your personal definition is of MVP.

It's not the same at all. Brees was there. It's basically saying screw up the first 4 weeks to help your chance of being rewarded at the end of the year. You're comparing that to Manning being out all of last year?

If Brees were to win it would be bc of what was done over the course of the entire season, no bc the team crapped the bed out of the gate before getting things right. Maybe if he were suspended the first 4 games but he was a part of the team that was crapping the bed... this season.

[areobee401]

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Tom Brady

2,976 yards 21 TD 3 INT

His team's defense is pathetic. Basically needs to lead a scoring drive every offensive possession.