2013 NFL Draft Discussion

[Bmore Irish]

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The bust that IS mount Cody... meaning, unfortunately, he's still here and we've got bigger needs imo. Wouldn't want to carry him and an early round pick when that could've been used to help on the edges, at safety, LB, oline, etc.

Very true, i used the past tense in the sense that he's not the answer there, but you have an excellent point. Safety is the position i've envisioned for our 1st rounder since the beginning, but inevitably i've seen other prospects and started wondering

[bigeastbumrush]

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I've heard multiple reports that Oakland is interested in Geno Smith and were one of the first teams to talk to him at the combine. Looks like he should be there at that point, with Alex Smith being a Chief now. A reach, but could be a possibility.

I'm all about Tavon Austin, but there's no chance he falls all the way to #32 for the Ravens to grab him, though I'm sure either Te'o, Minter, Elam, or Reid would be there. Think I'd prefer either of the safeties at that spot.

Anyone have thoughts on Johnathan Hankins, the NT from OSU? Idk if he would be there for the Ravens, but I like him as a guy that could step in for the bust that was Terrence Cody.

Also, if Barkely performs well at his pro day he could very well be back in as the #2 QB in the class, as he killed it in the interviews. Arm strength I think is the only real knock on him, if you're not putting too much stock in that season he just had at USC. Te'o is another who can help himself at pro day, because as much as people like to harp on the 40 time, it's something that a lot of scouts aren't going to worry too much about, especially if he performs better the second time around.

Raiders have so much more needs than QB. I think the Geno talk is a smokescreen.

Why would the Ravens be so hard pressed to use a 1st round pick on WR? I think they'll end up going with a safety. Vaccaro didn't look good to me at the Combine and I don't think Elam will be on the board when they pick. I think it would be a mistake if they went with Te'o.

I think Barkley goes to AZ or Jax in the 2nd round.

[wco81]

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Strange, the Raiders were talking up Terrelle Pryor recently, as challenging for Palmer's job this year.

I don't know how well the Raiders were prepping Pryor but after the success of the read-option by some other teams, maybe they think they already have a guy to try that with.

[wco81]

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Oh and did Austin show anything besides his 40 time? He's kind of small right?

Heard that WR draft classes as a whole have clocked around 4.5 for several years. However, they're getting bigger, as more 6-2 220 bodies are vying for the position, yet the average speed is the same.

I guess with the success of Welker, Cruz and other small but quick slot WRs probably boost Austin's stock?

[bigeastbumrush]

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I see Austin in that Percy Harvin do-it-all mode where you line him up all over the field and create matchup nightmares.

[Bmore Irish]

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Oh and did Austin show anything besides his 40 time? He's kind of small right?

Heard that WR draft classes as a whole have clocked around 4.5 for several years. However, they're getting bigger, as more 6-2 220 bodies are vying for the position, yet the average speed is the same.

I guess with the success of Welker, Cruz and other small but quick slot WRs probably boost Austin's stock?

He had excellent performances in the 40 and Shuttle, and the 14 bench reps he put up weren't 2nd best at his position like his 40 and shuttle, but they were an indication that he has upper body strength for being as small as he is.

I think the big plus for Austin is that he is an excellent route runner with really good hands. He actually uses his hands to catch the ball and is technical at his trade. I've heard a lot of comparisons of him as a faster Wes Welker, but as we've seen at WVU he's very dynamic and can be used out of the back field and as a return man. He's an immediate impact guy, in my eyes.

[pw_1016]

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I'm still lost on how teams think Geno Smith is the number 1 qb in this class. Other than injury concerns, Matt Barkley's body of work and numbers speaks for itself. The Raiders should consider going with him for the #3 pick.

The Raiders need to focus on the RB position. I am a Darren Mcfadden fan all the way but the guy can't stay healthy

[MooseBoyJ]

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I'm still lost on how teams think Geno Smith is the number 1 qb in this class. Other than injury concerns, Matt Barkley's body of work and numbers speaks for itself. The Raiders should consider going with him for the #3 pick.

The Raiders need to focus on the RB position. I am a Darren Mcfadden fan all the way but the guy can't stay healthy

Make no mistake. Smith is the most pro-ready Qb and have you seen Steve Mariuchi(?) and Barkleys little convo? Its interesting and IMO dropped his draft stock a little bit. No the Raiders need to address the D on the #3 pick and take a RB #2 or lower. Id say go after Sharrif Floyd, DL, because Seymor aint getting no younger or Dee Milliner, DB, because they need serious help in the secondary. The QB the Raiders should get is Tyler Bray from Tennessee. Strong arm QB to push the ball down the field and open those lanes for McFadden underneath. Showed incredible accuracy at the Combine.




On a totally different note Whats the overall opinion of the Honey Badger Tyrann Mathieu? I say hes a late 3rd round pick because even tho he was out for a year he ran a 4.5, showed great hands, did the backpedal drill with ease, showcased solid footwork, and even fielded punts to show ball tracking ability. On the negative he only did 4 reps on the bench press(average for a DB is about 10), hes only 5'9 and 180lbs, and some interviews with GM and HC were reported to feel rehearsed and insincere. He is cocky telling Primetime, or is it Leon Sandcastle, that he feels he can stick with Megatron saying ""I feel like if I was to check somebody like a Calvin Johnson, he'll make his plays, but I'm definitely going to get mine, too. He's going to catch his five balls, but I'm going to get my two turnovers, so we'll be even" The best corners are usually cocky and so that maybe a good thing. Whats your take?

[Hooe]

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I'm still lost on how teams think Geno Smith is the number 1 qb in this class. Other than injury concerns, Matt Barkley's body of work and numbers speaks for itself. The Raiders should consider going with him for the #3 pick.

The Raiders need to focus on the RB position. I am a Darren Mcfadden fan all the way but the guy can't stay healthy

The thing with Barkley, so I gather, is that his production went down as the talent around him declined, he had some middling games as a senior, and he suffered a shoulder injury.

Barkley also just doesn't have the raw physical talent of Smith, Mike Glennon, or E.J. Manuel (though Manuel is extremely raw and I can't see him being a Day 1 starter in any scenario).

[pw_1016]

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Make no mistake. Smith is the most pro-ready Qb and have you seen Steve Mariuchi(?) and Barkleys little convo? Its interesting and IMO dropped his draft stock a little bit. No the Raiders need to address the D on the #3 pick and take a RB #2 or lower. Id say go after Sharrif Floyd, DL, because Seymor aint getting no younger or Dee Milliner, DB, because they need serious help in the secondary. The QB the Raiders should get is Tyler Bray from Tennessee. Strong arm QB to push the ball down the field and open those lanes for McFadden underneath. Showed incredible accuracy at the Combine.




On a totally different note Whats the overall opinion of the Honey Badger Tyrann Mathieu? I say hes a late 3rd round pick because even tho he was out for a year he ran a 4.5, showed great hands, did the backpedal drill with ease, showcased solid footwork, and even fielded punts to show ball tracking ability. On the negative he only did 4 reps on the bench press(average for a DB is about 10), hes only 5'9 and 180lbs, and some interviews with GM and HC were reported to feel rehearsed and insincere. He is cocky telling Primetime, or is it Leon Sandcastle, that he feels he can stick with Megatron saying ""I feel like if I was to check somebody like a Calvin Johnson, he'll make his plays, but I'm definitely going to get mine, too. He's going to catch his five balls, but I'm going to get my two turnovers, so we'll be even" The best corners are usually cocky and so that maybe a good thing. Whats your take?

You know, I didn't see Barkley and Mooch's convo but I heard about it. A friend was telling me that Barkley seemed confused about different coverages, so come to think of it, I guess I can see why he wouldn't be taken at #3.

LOL ! that is hilarious to me that Honey Badger thinks he can take on Megatron. I think Tyrann will be good, but will need 2-3 years to develop. Definitely a 3rd or 4th round pick.

I have seen a few mock drafts that have Keke Mingo being taken by the Raiders at #3 . Thats an excellent pick in my opinion. Between he and Bjoern Werner , they may be one of the best overall defensive players in the draft.

The thing with Barkley, so I gather, is that his production went down as the talent around him declined, he had some middling games as a senior, and he suffered a shoulder injury.

Barkley also just doesn't have the raw physical talent of Smith, Mike Glennon, or E.J. Manuel (though Manuel is extremely raw and I can't see him being a Day 1 starter in any scenario).

Ok, I can see your point here. Although, you really think Glennon or Manuel will get selected ahead of Barkley?

[MooseBoyJ]

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Ok, I can see your point here. Although, you really think Glennon or Manuel will get selected ahead of Barkley?

I think Barkley will be the second QB off the board. He doing his pro day in perfect conditions for QB at USC which will cause his draft stock to rise. Hes good but just not ready to be a starter much less the face of a franchise.

[Hooe]

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Ok, I can see your point here. Although, you really think Glennon or Manuel will get selected ahead of Barkley?

I don't think there are any guarantees with regard to draft selection order for any QBs beyond Smith. Smith is the least flawed passer in the class, and then all the others have at least one knock.

To that end I do think Glennon (more likely) and Manuel (less likely) could be taken ahead of Barkley.

[rangerrick012]

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I've heard multiple reports that Oakland is interested in Geno Smith and were one of the first teams to talk to him at the combine. Looks like he should be there at that point, with Alex Smith being a Chief now. A reach, but could be a possibility.

Oakland is NOT taking a QB at #3. If anything it's just a smokescreen to get a team like Buffalo or Arizona to trade up, but the Raiders have much bigger needs and McKenzie hasn't shown to be the type of GM to take a reach on a position that isn't in the top 5 of needs for the team. That and Palmer will likely restructure to stay in Oakland, plus they still are willing to see what Pryor has as a QB.

Defensive Line, CB, and linebacker even are far bigger needs right now than QB, and this draft is stacked at all 3 of those positions. It'd be foolish to reach on Smith when he's likely not a Luck/Griffin type that can single handedly turn this into a playoff team.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Mayock's Pst-Combine Positional Rankings:


1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
2. Matt Barkley, USC
3. Mike Glennon, NC State
4. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
5. Landry Jones, Oklahoma

Running Back
1. Eddie Lacy, Alabama
2. Montee Ball, Wisconsin
3. Andre Ellington, Clemson
4. Giovani Bernard, North Carolina
5. Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina

Wide Receiver
1. Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
2. Keenan Allen, Cal
3. Tavon Austin, West Virginia
4. Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
5. DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson

New entry: Hopkins
Rise: Austin (4), Patton (5)
Out: Terrance Williams, Baylor (3)

Tight End
1. Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
2. Zach Ertz, Stanford
3. Gavin Escobar, San Diego State
4. Travis Kelce, Cincinnati
5. Vance McDonald, Rice

New entry: McDonald
Out: Jordan Reed, Florida (5)

Center
1. Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
2. Brian Schwenke, Cal
3. Barrett Jones, Alabama
4. Khaled Holmes, USC
5. Braxston Cave, Notre Dame

Guard
1. Chance Warmack, Alabama
2. Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
3. Larry Warford, Kentucky
4. Kyle Long, Oregon
5. Brian Winters, Kent State

Tackle
1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
4. D.J. Fluker, Alabama
T-5. Menelik Watson, Florida State
T-5. Justin Pugh, Syracuse

4-3 Defensive End
1. Bjoern Werner, Florida State
2. Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
3. Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
4. Sam Montgomery, LSU
5. Tank Carradine, Florida State

3-4 Defensive End
1. Star Lotulelei, Utah
2. Margus Hunt, SMU
3. Datone Jones, UCLA
4. Jesse Williams, Alabama
5. William Gholston, Michigan State

Defensive Tackle
1. Sharrif Floyd, Florida
2. Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
3. Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. Kawann Short, Purdue
5. Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State

Rise: Richardson (3), Williams (4), Short (5)
Out: Star Lotulelei, Utah (2)

4-3 Outside linebacker
1. Jarvis Jones, Georgia
2. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
3. Arthur Brown, Kansas State
4. Sio Moore, UConn
5. Chase Thomas, Stanford

3-4 Outside linebacker
1. Dion Jordan, Oregon
2. Jamie Collins, Southern Miss
3. Barkevious Mingo, LSU
4. Michael Buchanan, Illinois
5. Corey Lemonier, Auburn

Inside linebacker
1. Alec Ogletree, Georgia
2. Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
3. Kevin Minter, LSU
4. Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
5. Kiko Alonso, Oregon

Cornerback
1. Dee Milliner, Alabama
2. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
3. Desmond Trufant, Washington
4. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut
5. B.W. Webb, William & Mary

New entry: Wreh-Wilson, Webb
Rise: Trufant (4), Patton (5)
Out: Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State (3); Jordan Poyer, Oregon State (5)

Safety
1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam, Florida
3. Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid, LSU
5. Shamarko Thomas, Syracuse

New entry: Thomas
Out: Zeke Motta, Notre Dame (5)

[The_Wise_One]

I need to check out this Quinton Patton guy from LTech. Continues to impress people.

What are people opinions on corner this year?