Aaron Hernandez Saga

[NDAlum]

Ah, nothing like good ole government bullying.

If there is probable cause for an arrest there is probable cause for an arrest.

There is still a murder suspect on the loose and I hope every option is exhausted to find that person.

[skywalkah]

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*sigh*

I really hope this doesn't start a "pro athlete entitlement" media storm. Pro athletes have a much lower arrest rate than the rest of society. Not sure why we expect them to be "better" than us. They're just normal people with a good *** job.

I won't ask for numbers - let alone a source - but I'm not sure how that even seems like a reasonable correlation when "the rest of society" grossly outnumbers that of the professional athlete.

It's not about "them" being better than "us," either. It's true; at the end of the day, these people are human like you and me. Thing is, these people have a platform and an opportunity - nay, an obligation - to positively represent their team, organization and league. It is in their best interest to recognize they are not above the law, but something a fair number of them are incapable of doing. It's also not about expecting them to be better than us, but expecting them to acknowledge they are held to the same standards as you or me.

[bigbob]

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I won't ask for numbers - let alone a source - but I'm not sure how that even seems like a reasonable correlation when "the rest of society" grossly outnumbers that of the professional athlete.

For more serious issues (not things like speeding tickets), there's been 659 arrests since 2000, that's including multiple arrests.

http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/

[N51_rob]

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From everything Ive seen and learned from CSI and Law and Order and the Wire (so take what I am saying with a grain of salt). The last person(s) to see the deceased alive are usually have some idea of what happened to them. Not saying anything about who killed him, but it would be a reasonable assumption that Hernandez and Co know something.

[bkrich83]

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Ah, nothing like good ole government bullying.

Yup it's the governments fault he's involved in a homicide and decided to destroy evidence.

[skywalkah]

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For more serious issues (not things like speeding tickets), there's been 659 arrests since 2000, that's including multiple arrests.

http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/

The comment was referring to "pro athletes," which I know is a general grouping, but also in reference to "the rest of society." Even if we are just talking football players versus the football viewing public, I'd still say; "of course." That isn't surprising, and sure isn't some sort of revelation. That isn't really the point, though..

Do you not believe that some athletes view themselves as above consequence for their actions? I think it's nothing short of a proven fact that there is some sort of "complex" that people in these positions have been known to suffer from.

I get where the original poster was coming from, but it seemed more dismissive than it should have been. I also see how comments made - not even here, but elsewhere - would suggest that they all fall into this category and I certainly don't think that's fair.

[jbd345]

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Whatever comes out of this I doubt he will play a down the NFL this season. His career could be in jeopardy as well.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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The comment was referring to "pro athletes," which I know is a general grouping, but also in reference to "the rest of society." Even if we are just talking football players versus the football viewing public, I'd still say; "of course." That isn't surprising, and sure isn't some sort of revelation. That isn't really the point, though..

Do you not believe that some athletes view themselves as above consequence for their actions? I think it's nothing short of a proven fact that there is some sort of "complex" that people in these positions have been known to suffer from.

I get where the original poster was coming from, but it seemed more dismissive than it should have been. I also see how comments made - not even here, but elsewhere - would suggest that they all fall into this category and I certainly don't think that's fair.

You're right. My original post was too dismissive. My main point is that I don't understand why we have a higher expectations of them just because they have a good job. When a doctor commits a heinous crime a) we don't hear about it and b) we don't make sweeping judgements about "doctor entitlement". If he committed this crime, it's because he's a horrible person not because he's an "entitled athlete".

Sure some athletes view themselves above consequence, but no more than the top 1% of any field. But we don't view athlete's like we view people that reach the top of other fields. That's the part that annoys me. I have a theory on why that but that's a whole different topic.

[QuieroFrijoles]

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You're right. My original post was too dismissive. My main point is that I don't understand why we have a higher expectations of them just because they have a good job. When a doctor commits a heinous crime a) we don't hear about it and b) we don't make sweeping judgements about "doctor entitlement". If he committed this crime, it's because he's a horrible person not because he's an "entitled athlete".

Sure some athletes view themselves above consequence, but no more than the top 1% of any field. But we don't view athlete's like we view people that reach the top of other fields. That's the part that annoys me. I have a theory on why that but that's a whole different topic.

The reason why I think people place such high expectations on athletes is because people view them as role models for kids. Sure, you can argue the same for doctors but I'm pretty sure if you'd asked children if they'd rather be a doctor or professional athlete, most would pick the latter. Also remember that athletes are celebrities, I'm sure there have been plenty of doctors, teachers, firemen, or other professions viewed as positive role models that have murdered someone. We just pay attention to the athletes, musicians, and actors because they're famous.

[N51_rob]

The reason why I think people place such high expectations on athletes is because people view them as role models for kids. Sure, you can argue the same for doctors but I'm pretty sure if you'd asked children if they'd rather be a doctor or professional athlete, most would pick the latter. Also remember that athletes are celebrities, I'm sure there have been plenty of doctors, teachers, firemen, or other professions viewed as positive role models that have murdered someone. We just pay attention to the athletes, musicians, and actors because they're famous.

If you as a parent allow a professional athlete, to be your child's role model, then IMO you have failed as a parent. They coukd/should admire their work ethic. But off the field the majority of us know nothing about them, and that makes them terrible role models.

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[njdevils14]

If you as a parent allow a professional athlete, to be your child's role model, then IMO you have failed as a parent. They coukd/should admire their work ethic. But off the field the majority of us know nothing about them, and that makes them terrible role models.

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To be fair, there are a some athletes who can be considered role models. Although, I agree with you about the majority of them.

[p_rushing]

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Whatever comes out of this I doubt he will play a down the NFL this season. His career could be in jeopardy as well.

Why? Unless he is convicted of something more, he will be back playing. Ray Lewis got away with very similar stuff and he was charged with the exact same thing.

Right now, it doesn't look like the cops have anything to charge him with. Even the obstruction of justice charges are nothing unless they could prove he destroyed evidence or lied to them.

Sure it looks like something happened at his house, but there hasn't been any rumors about the police finding anything there. Lewis didn't go to jail and there was blood in his limo.

[BigDofBA]

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Right now, it doesn't look like the cops have anything to charge him with. Even the obstruction of justice charges are nothing unless they could prove he destroyed evidence or lied to them.

Based on the small info. we have already been given, they have plenty to build a case upon as far as probable cause, obstruction of justice, etc. Just wait. They will find more evidence.

I would say the odds are greater that this doesn't end well for Hernandez.

[NDAlum]

Right now, it doesn't look like the cops have anything to charge him with. Even the obstruction of justice charges are nothing unless they could prove he destroyed evidence or lied to them.

Sure it looks like something happened at his house, but there hasn't been any rumors about the police finding anything there. Lewis didn't go to jail and there was blood in his limo.

We really don't have the meat of the information IMO. I am very curious to hear what we have. I believe it is known that Hernandez was with the deceased just prior to his death. The deceased was executed...not just murdered. Like one shot get on your knees type of execution. That is from the info I heard. Obviously I don't know if this is fully accurate.

Obstruction of justice in an execution style nursed is pretty damn big IMO.

Hernandez is being smart. He isn't saying anything and letting his lawyer handle it all for him. Talking will never help your case unless you are innocent. The odds he wasn't involved in this murder appear very low.

To say obstruction of justice charges are nothing is false.

Somebody murdered that victim. I hope the truth is uncovered. I highly doubt Hernandez murdered the guy but it doesn't look like he was out of the loop.

[NDAlum]

Based on the small info. we have already been given, they have plenty to build a case upon as far as probable cause, obstruction of justice, etc. Just wait. They will find more evidence.

I would say the odds are greater that this doesn't end well for Hernandez.

PC means nothing in a court of law. It is great for getting a warrant.

I would assume the police are getting forensic evidence from Hernandez to compare to what they find during their investigation. That is the biggest reason for the warrants to be filed. The police need to gather every single piece of information they can find to build a case.

Hernandez won't spend more than a couple hours in jail until a trial. He is gonna be ok