Aaron Hernandez Saga

[ubernoob]

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Yep third dude is talking cause there's no way they have the quote about trust without a cooperating witness

Actually that quote about trust is from surveillance cam footage when he was walking around with the gun.

The time line is so tight, and there is the sealed affidavit (someone is talking or Lloyd turned on the his phones recording function during the drive). Hernandez' only real hope in this is that Carlos Ortiz is/was the trigger man. They seem to have a very tight case and the timeline is just two tight. Lloyd basically texted his sister moments before his death, wanting her to know who he was with in the moments prior. Its almost like speaking from the grave.

Even if he didn't pull the trigger, he can still be found guilty of Murder 1.

[NateDogPack12]

Uber is right on the money here. It's important to realize that even if Ortiz pulled the trigger, Hernandez can still go to jail.

Also noteworthy is that a witness has to be talking at this point or they would not have the conversation in the car. Extremely unlikely the victim would have turned on the record feature.

[bigeastbumrush]

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This just makes me sad.

Brings me back to how I felt during the Ray Lewis trial.

You have everything going for you. Yet you spend your time trying to play tough guy. And for what? You're a multimillionaire.

Sad day.

[48 hours]

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Aaron is now being investigated for a Boston's double murder in 2012.

I wondered if Odin was trying to black mail him over the 2012 incident.

[N51_rob]

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Even if he didn't pull the trigger, he can still be found guilty of Murder 1.

Still a long ways to go. Hernandez' lawyers have a few cards to play. They could put the gun in Ortiz' hands and say that Hernandez tried to stop the murder and then became scared. Hernandez just wanted to scare Lloyd and Ortiz acting on his own, killed him. There are a lot of ways the defense can proceed if they can put the gun in Ortiz' hands at the time of the killing. Murder one requires premeditation and willful intent. If Hernandez' can disprove intent then he has taken one of the legs required for a capital conviction.

They only need 1 juror to avoid a conviction the state needs all 12. This will be a very interesting case once it goes to trial. I want to know who/what is in the sealed affidavit.

[TheShizNo1]

If I had money like that. I'd just hire hitmen from my "crew" and not get my own hands dirty.

I'd be like the kingpin that no one ever saw.

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[mvb34]

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Uber is right on the money here. It's important to realize that even if Ortiz pulled the trigger, Hernandez can still go to jail.

Also noteworthy is that a witness has to be talking at this point or they would not have the conversation in the car. Extremely unlikely the victim would have turned on the record feature.

He had time to text his sister twice he had time to turn recorder on..

[N51_rob]

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Question for the LEO's of OS. I know that one of the gun charges stems from him having a high capacity fire arm. Seeing how Lloyd was killed with a .45 hand gun, and search warrants have to be very specific. If the warrent mentions looking for a murder weapon connected with the killing of Lloyd, is it possible that that charge could be thrown out, because there is no way that that gun could be connected to the murder? Thanks.

[ImTellinTim]

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Question for the LEO's of OS. I know that one of the gun charges stems from him having a high capacity fire arm. Seeing how Lloyd was killed with a .45 hand gun, and search warrants have to be very specific. If the warrent mentions looking for a murder weapon connected with the killing of Lloyd, is it possible that that charge could be thrown out, because there is no way that that gun could be connected to the murder? Thanks.

While you're executing a search warrant and you find something illegal unrelated to the original case, that doesn't excuse it. Think of it this way. What if they had stumbled upon a marijuana grow room in his basement during the search?

If I had money like that. I'd just hire hitmen from my "crew" and not get my own hands dirty.

I'd be like the kingpin that no one ever saw.

Seriously, lots of hubris was shown in his actions. They went and picked this guy up from his house and willingly drove him back to within a mile of his own place. Don't **** where you eat!

[Bdubb]

Women these days... Way more of these too SMFH.

[N51_rob]

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While you're executing a search warrant and you find something illegal unrelated to the original case, that doesn't excuse it. Think of it this way. What if they had stumbled upon a marijuana grow room in his basement during the search?

So if your warrant says you are looking for 10 lbs of weed in the closet and find 10lbs of coke in the garage, you can seize it, but since your search warrant wasn't for the coke or the garage, is that search legal? Just wondering. (No I am not a drug kingpin.)

[NDAlum]

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Question for the LEO's of OS. I know that one of the gun charges stems from him having a high capacity fire arm. Seeing how Lloyd was killed with a .45 hand gun, and search warrants have to be very specific. If the warrent mentions looking for a murder weapon connected with the killing of Lloyd, is it possible that that charge could be thrown out, because there is no way that that gun could be connected to the murder? Thanks.

The search warrant likely involved all things related to the homicide. As long as the investigators could articulate that they seized property for the murder investigation, they are well within their rights.

The gun is a big piece of the puzzle but if they have enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Hernandez murdered the victim or was there when the murder happened they don't need the gun.

MANY variables in all of this

[skywalkah]

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Well, this just got a bit more interesting. And by a bit, I mean entirely.

[NDAlum]

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So if your warrant says you are looking for 10 lbs of weed in the closet and find 10lbs of coke in the garage, you can seize it, but since your search warrant wasn't for the coke or the garage, is that search legal? Just wondering. (No I am not a drug kingpin.)

All day every day.

Let's say I get a search warrant for a person who I had an informant buy drugs (marijuana) from at his residence. This person is a convicted felon and when I execute the search warrant I find a gun in his bedroom (firearm by felon charge). Let's say I find plastic baggies with the ends torn off (drug paraphernalia). Let's say I find a digital scale with marijuana residue on it (drug paraphernalia). Then I find 50g of marijuana in clear plastic baggies which appear ready to be sold (possession of marijuana with the intent to sell/deliver).

You can seize anything illegal or deemed relevant to the investigation.

[NDAlum]

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Just to add...

Let's say I am able to get a search warrant on N51's house for stolen property. Let's say the property listed stolen that I can search for is a 60" flatscreen TV.

When I execute the search warrant I can only look for that property in reasonable areas. If I look in a shoe box and find a kilo of cocaine it would get thrown out in court because a 60" TV isn't going to be found in that shoebox.

Drugs mean you can search the home from top to bottom. I'm assuming a murder investigation is another top to bottom search.