Aaron Hernandez Saga

[Bmore Irish]

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Oh don't get me wrong lol. He's clearly a messed up individual and a criminal. I was more talking about holding it against him that he wasn't getting all emotional on camera.

But that's kinda what I'm getting at. If you can't even somewhat fake it when you're freedom's on the line and everyone's watching, there's something wrong upstairs.

It's pretty crazy that a sociopath like this even made it to the point that he was a prominent player in such a popular professional sport.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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All I know is even with the verdict, Hernandez still received a kinder deal than Lloyd.

[War Eagle!]

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Hernandez lack of emotion is probably because he shelled it out over the last 2 years knowing he was never going to see freedom again. The trial was just something that had to happen eventually but i'm sure he knew he'd never get out of there a long time before today.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Hernandez lack of emotion is probably because he shelled it out over the last 2 years knowing he was never going to see freedom again. The trial was just something that had to happen eventually but i'm sure he knew he'd never get out of there a long time before today.

Disagree.

He looked to me like he had hope that he'd get off and/or a lesser charge.

I saw emotion from him. He looked disappointed and he looked backed a few times for his fiancée and family.

[slickdtc]

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Disagree.



He looked to me like he had hope that he'd get off and/or a lesser charge.



I saw emotion from him. He looked disappointed and he looked backed a few times for his fiancée and family.

I agree. It just wasn't the emotion many people were looking for (breaking down, crying, scared). I don't watch trials at all so I don't know if this was abnormal or what usually happens.

Hernandez deserved to be put away for this horrific crime, but it's not bringing Lloyd back. Justice has been served, but I don't really feel good about it. That's the tragedy of it, that not only did Hernandez take Lloyd's life, but he essentially took his own and put an ever-lasting hurt on the respective families.

These trials happen every day, and this story is repeated. It's depressing that people make terrible choices like this that impact so many lives. Every once in a while, the general public is able to look in on it and share their opinion but it doesn't make it any different then the numerous trials just like this going on all over the world.

In the end, the whole thing is just sad. Sadness is all I feel, for all these people. That a man was killed, that another man was so lost that he felt that was what he had to do, that a family lost a son/sibling/cousin/father(?), and another family will only be able to see their son behind bars for the rest of his life.

Heavy stuff.

[KG]

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But that's kinda what I'm getting at. If you can't even somewhat fake it when you're freedom's on the line and everyone's watching, there's something wrong upstairs.

It's pretty crazy that a sociopath like this even made it to the point that he was a prominent player in such a popular professional sport.

I don;t think it's that surprising. He had elite level talent and probably showed it from an early age. I'm sure he was coddled and his eff-ups were covered up along the way.

[Seahawk76]

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I personally think he did it

The case was against was kinda weak, but the case saying he didn't was weaker

If that makes sense

What was weak about the case? There was a ton of evidence that he was with Odin and at the scene of the crime during the murder. That's why his lawyer admitted to it during closing arguments in the hope that the jury would believe that one of his crew pulled the trigger and convict Hernandez of a lesser crime.

[redsox4evur]

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What was weak about the case? There was a ton of evidence that he was with Odin and at the scene of the crime during the murder. That's why his lawyer admitted to it during closing arguments in the hope that the jury would believe that one of his crew pulled the trigger and convict Hernandez of a lesser crime.

For one there was no murder weapon. And one of the people who had testified in this trial was shot in the face by Hernandez and he could tell the jury that it happened. Also most of the evidence was circumstantial. You pretty much said it there was evidence that he was there at the scene. But I don't think it all pointed to Hernandez committing the murder. Also it is known that he was on all sorts of drugs including weed and PCP. And his defense attorney never talked about that which could have hurt him.

[Stu]

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For one there was no murder weapon. And one of the people who had testified in this trial was shot in the face by Hernandez and he could tell the jury that it happened. Also most of the evidence was circumstantial. You pretty much said it there was evidence that he was there at the scene. But I don't think it all pointed to Hernandez committing the murder. Also it is known that he was on all sorts of drugs including weed and PCP. And his defense attorney never talked about that which could have hurt him.

Not having the murder weapon wasn't a factor because in Massachusetts it doesn't matter if he pulled the trigger or not. The prosecution just needed to prove that he was there and participated willingly. They had a ton of evidence that showed he was there (which led to the defense outright admitting it). That plus Hernandez' actions and demeanor before and after the murder was enough to convince the jury that he was a willing participant. I thought not being able to use the Boston double murder to establish motive was a far bigger hurdle for the prosecution than the lack of a murder weapon.

[wwharton]

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It also wasn't "known" that he was high on weed and PCP, his attorney tried to say his boys went on a PCP rage and committed the murder. Even if he was high on... whatever, that wouldn't have made a difference either way.

[redsox4evur]

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It also wasn't "known" that he was high on weed and PCP, his attorney tried to say his boys went on a PCP rage and committed the murder. Even if he was high on... whatever, that wouldn't have made a difference either way.

I heard that he didn't try to use this as a defense in the trial.

[wwharton]

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I heard that he didn't try to use this as a defense in the trial.

Didn't try to use what?

When they admitted he was at the scene and witnessed the murder, they said his boys committed the crime in a PCP rage. They brought in experts to say PCP rages are possible (crossed, expert admitted that doesn't mean anyone should assume it happened here). They showed AH sipping on smoothies with his boys by his hot tub after, and that was used as evidence he couldn't have been in fear of their PCP rage or shocked at what he must've seen them do based on the defense.

[redsox4evur]

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Didn't try to use what?

When they admitted he was at the scene and witnessed the murder, they said his boys committed the crime in a PCP rage. They brought in experts to say PCP rages are possible (crossed, expert admitted that doesn't mean anyone should assume it happened here). They showed AH sipping on smoothies with his boys by his hot tub after, and that was used as evidence he couldn't have been in fear of their PCP rage or shocked at what he must've seen them do based on the defense.

OK I thought I heard that he didn't try to use the PCP as a defense.

[HealyMonster]

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Didn't try to use what?

When they admitted he was at the scene and witnessed the murder, they said his boys committed the crime in a PCP rage. They brought in experts to say PCP rages are possible (crossed, expert admitted that doesn't mean anyone should assume it happened here). They showed AH sipping on smoothies with his boys by his hot tub after, and that was used as evidence he couldn't have been in fear of their PCP rage or shocked at what he must've seen them do based on the defense.

Right, and the fact that, and Im assuming here as I have no experience with PCP rages, but one would think you wouldn't be all Im about to rage out on PCP, hold up man let me pull over, it would be more of an on the spot type thing. These dudes picked up lloyd and went to a specific spot and then executed him

[Stu]

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OK I thought I heard that he didn't try to use the PCP as a defense.

Their whole defense was based on the thoery that Wallace and Ortiz smoked PCP and killed Lloyd in a PCP rage.