2014 NFL Draft Discussion Thread

[The_Wise_One]

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I feel that Manziel and Wilson are similar in the fact that you know what you're going to get. People get too caught up in the "potential" of quarterbacks. Manziel dominated against SEC defenses for two seasons and could have possibly won two Heismans if A&M's defense existed this year. Are Carr, Bortles and even Bridgewater going against these types teams week in and week out? Just my opinion. The college and professional level seem to be closer these days anyway.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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That's the part that has me confused. I keep reading people say they don't like him as a prospect, but I never really see a reason why. I don't watch a lot of college football so I thought maybe I'm missing something. His numbers stack up, his competition stacks up, he has the accuracy and he's a solid athlete.

[JazzMan]

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I think it's fool's gold to take Manziel. I have little confidence in him being a top flight NFL QB and I don't think he'd necessarily fit with what O'Brien would want to do offensively.

Besides, all those points you make about Manziel were made about Vince Young and well.....I think Mario Williams worked out better.

Vince Young was one of the more promising young QBs in the league, and then Jeff Fisher decided to ruin him and his confidence. But that's a different story altogether.

I guess I'm just a believer of Manziel. The kid is a baller. He'll do whatever he can to win. Only issues with him are his off-the-field behavior, which he should get in check when he leaves college, and injuries. Even then, Manziel has been playing against the athletic freak defenses in the SEC for two years and he's played every game. Sure, he's been banged up, but who hasn't been in their career?

Like I said, he has the ability to be a Russell Wilson type player in the NFL. And if they were to do the 2012 Draft again with what we know about Wilson, there's no way Wilson leaves the Top 5.

[jmillhimes]

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I think it's fool's gold to take Manziel. I have little confidence in him being a top flight NFL QB and I don't think he'd necessarily fit with what O'Brien would want to do offensively.

Besides, all those points you make about Manziel were made about Vince Young and well.....I think Mario Williams worked out better.

Agree about Manziel. I understand where people are coming from in terms of marketing this guy. However, Houston has been known to avoid people with mental and ego issues. They finally rolled the dice last year with Ed Reed and look what happend. Manziel has alot of baggage off the field as well as issues when speaking with the press.

[areobee401]

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Dream scenario here...

Patriots win Super Bowl. Brady and Belichick retire after finally getting another ring. Somehow draft Manziel as the new franchise QB. McDaniels and him go on to win 5 Super Bowls.

[jmillhimes]

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Dream scenario here...

Patriots win Super Bowl. Brady and Belichick retire after finally getting another ring. Somehow draft Manziel as the new franchise QB. McDaniels and him go on to win 5 Super Bowls.

[Segagendude]

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I need to see which WR's are gonna enter the draft, but that's where Cleveland should start. They seemingly have confidence in Hoyer, providing he comes back to 100%. Of course, they can always try to trade/release Weeden then draft a QB as a backup, but they need another deep threat at WR, then focus on a RB.
That's how I see it.

[justblaze09]

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What is this baggage everyone is talking about with Manizel? He overslept at the Manning camp. He got kicked out of a frat part. He may or may not have signed some stuff for money. The only thing I can think of is that incident he had before he became "Johnny Football" and that's it. You would think the man is in and out of jail the way people talk.

[jmillhimes]

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What is this baggage everyone is talking about with Manizel? He overslept at the Manning camp. He got kicked out of a frat part. He may or may not have signed some stuff for money. The only thing I can think of is that incident he had before he became "Johnny Football" and that's it. You would think the man is in and out of jail the way people talk.

Kicked out of Manning Camp for tardiness is something to look at..He was kicked out of a frat party, Signing stuff for money when his parents are already millionaires, cocky on the field with his money signs after throwing a TD( Which stopped when Sumlin jumped his ***). The guy is a real risk to me and not one that needs to be taken #1 Overal. There toughest games this year were his worse performances.

[wco81]

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I've only seen highlights but it's mostly of Manziel making crazy plays by keeping plays alive and then throwing bombs, including just throwing it up to Evans, who looks like a stud big WR.

Does he always play like that or can he hit timing passes from the pocket?

Certainly playmakers have succeeded in the NFL. Rothlisberger extended plays a lot on the way to those Superbowls and of course Wilson is very elusive.

But can you count on him to always evade the pass rush until the coverage breaks down?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Kicked out of Manning Camp for tardiness is something to look at..He was kicked out of a frat party, Signing stuff for money when his parents are already millionaires, cocky on the field with his money signs after throwing a TD( Which stopped when Sumlin jumped his ***). The guy is a real risk to me and not one that needs to be taken #1 Overal. There toughest games this year were his worse performances.

Looking at his games against ranked opponents this year:
Vs. Alabama: 464 yards passing, 98 yards rushing, 5 TDs, 2 INTs
Vs. Auburn: 454 yards passing, 48 yards rushing, 5 TDs, 2 INTs
@ LSU: 224 yards passing, 54 yards rushing, 1 TD, 2 INTs
@ Missouri: 195 yards passing, 21 yards rushing, 1 TD, 0 INTs
Vs. Duke: 382 yards passing, 73 yards rushing, 5 TDs, 0 INTs

So at the end of the day, against ranked opponents, Manziel put up 344 passing yards per game, 59 rushing yards per game, and put up 17 TDs to 6 INTs. Not to mention I think it's expected that he would struggle more against better teams than he would against bad teams. That can be applied to pretty much every prospect ever.

I've only seen highlights but it's mostly of Manziel making crazy plays by keeping plays alive and then throwing bombs, including just throwing it up to Evans, who looks like a stud big WR.

Does he always play like that or can he hit timing passes from the pocket?

Certainly playmakers have succeeded in the NFL. Rothlisberger extended plays a lot on the way to those Superbowls and of course Wilson is very elusive.

But can you count on him to always evade the pass rush until the coverage breaks down?

He seems to be a very accurate passer from all the times I've watched him. The one concern with him IMO is the size (but I think we're at the point now where size isn't as big a deal as people once thought) and arm strength (but I think his arm strength is good enough). I think people will worry about someone his size that runs as often as he does (similar to people that are concerned with RGIII's durability, but I think Manziel can thrive both in and out of the pocket.

[BleacherBum2310]

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He's improved as a passer. Last Year to this year not close. You can see the improvement. He has Romo like evading the rush like skills as well.

I'd still only draft him Mid-Late 1st (I know he'll likely go higher tho)

Baggage stuff really doesn't matter if he can play. (I don't think he has any either.)

[MattUM]

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Bortles looked like an NFL QB in the second half of the Fiesta Bowl. Shook off 2 first half picks to win the first ever BCS bowl game for his team.

[SPTO]

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I do see why some are hyping Manziel up and he does have a lot of potential but he has a lot of outside risk factors as explained by another poster. The other thing that i'm not so sure will translate well in the NFL is the fact that he takes big risks running out of the pocket recklessly when he could use his feet to stay around the pocket area THAN run out. If he plays as recklessly in the NFL as he does in college he's gonna get his bell rung.

If he can keep his head on straight and stay out of trouble he should do well but it really depends on where he goes.

[MattUM]

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I do see why some are hyping Manziel up and he does have a lot of potential but he has a lot of outside risk factors as explained by another poster. The other thing that i'm not so sure will translate well in the NFL is the fact that he takes big risks running out of the pocket recklessly when he could use his feet to stay around the pocket area THAN run out. If he plays as recklessly in the NFL as he does in college he's gonna get his bell rung.

If he can keep his head on straight and stay out of trouble he should do well but it really depends on where he goes.

I agree with this.

I'd also like to point out that Houston has the #6 offensive line in the NFL in terms of pass protection. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol I think if Manziel gets good protection, he won't have to run around and make plays as much as he does in college. Also, Houston plays in a division with only one decent pass-rushing team - the Colts, and Mathis is getting old. My point is that I think he'll have more time in the pocket to make plays with his arm and won't have to rely on his legs so much - if he goes to Houston.