Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

[Steven78]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

You're league MVP and you're not thinking to pick up a fumble? After taking two steps towards it?

Not buying that whatsoever.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Another play that ends up looming large is that non call on Roby early on in the fourth. They were at the Denver 21 and Cam threw an incompletion to Ted Ginn. Roby was all over him and it was a blatant pass interference that should have been whistled. Carolina would have had a great chance at scoring a TD there but instead had to settle for the field goal that made it 16-10 instead of 16-14 Broncos.

[The JareBear]

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Another play that ends up looming large is that non call on Roby early on in the fourth. They were at the Denver 21 and Cam threw an incompletion to Ted Ginn. Roby was all over him and it was a blatant pass interference that should have been whistled. Carolina would have had a great chance at scoring a TD there but instead had to settle for the field goal that made it 16-10 instead of 16-14 Broncos.

I'll fully admit our secondary was allowed to play super physical all day. Can't deny it.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Talib should've been ejected. I haven't seen a facemask that bad in a long, long time.

[Steven78]

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This was interesting.

http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/08/peyton-manning-won-a-super-bowl-with-subpar-numbers-but-hes-still-way-behind-other-qbs-in-that-regard/

[Jr.]

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The first drop was just a curse put us on by Mike Carey. Does he ever get a call right?

Yeah, I've gotten over the call. But Cotchery should've just caught the ball the first time it hit his hands.

It would've really been nice to have KB that game. It was painfully obvious once Brown went out that there was no one that could make a big play in the pass game. I'm not sure what Denver did to take away Olsen, but he was really shut down.

Everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong for Carolina. The horrible luck of when/where the fumbles occurred for Carolina vs when/where they occurred for Denver, Norman had two INTs go off his hands (granted, they would've been outstanding plays), and whatever happened on that punt return. It was the perfect mix for Denver and against the Panthers.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Yeah, I've gotten over the call. But Cotchery should've just caught the ball the first time it hit his hands.

It would've really been nice to have KB that game. It was painfully obvious once Brown went out that there was no one that could make a big play in the pass game. I'm not sure what Denver did to take away Olsen, but he was really shut down.

Everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong for Carolina. The horrible luck of when/where the fumbles occurred for Carolina vs when/where they occurred for Denver, Norman had two INTs go off his hands (granted, they would've been outstanding plays), and whatever happened on that punt return. It was the perfect mix for Denver and against the Panthers.

I know they put Talib on him a few times.

[CMH]

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You're league MVP and you're not thinking to pick up a fumble? After taking two steps towards it?

Not buying that whatsoever.

What does being the MVP have to do with him thinking about recovering a fumble?

He didn't do it. That doesn't have anything to do with how many yards he passed for.

You guys.

[CMH]

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Problem with that is he took two steps and pulled up.

Yes he did. I'm not sure how that's any different than what I said about him not thinking to dive for the ball.

He attempted to get it and then stepped back away from contact. So he didn't think to dive for it.

Like what I'm saying right now is a negative for Cam and because it's not the narrative you prefer which is he thought, "nah not gonna dive because I'm too pretty for all that" it isn't a possibility.

[ggsimmonds]

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Yes he did. I'm not sure how that's any different than what I said about him not thinking to dive for the ball.

He attempted to get it and then stepped back away from contact. So he didn't think to dive for it.

Like what I'm saying right now is a negative for Cam and because it's not the narrative you prefer which is he thought, "nah not gonna dive because I'm too pretty for all that" it isn't a possibility.

Those two statements are fundamentally the same thing.

He was initially going for the ball, then changed his mind. So he absolutely did think of diving for it. For reasons we can only speculate, he decided not to.

[dickey1331]

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Great game by the Denver D. They really got to Cam and made him look terrible.

I agree he shouldn't have left the press conference. I don't like it when players talk the talk when they are winning but when they lose they act like that.

He also should have dived for the ball. Any other circumstances I can see why he wouldn't but it's the Super Bowl and they were still in it at that moment.

[N51_rob]

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I'll fully admit our secondary was allowed to play super physical all day. Can't deny it.

And your pass catchers too. First play of the game was textbook OPI.

Talib should've been ejected. I haven't seen a facemask that bad in a long, long time.

Can you remind me of the last time someone was ejected for a facemask penalty while making a tackle? Not talking about some fight or other after the whistle garbage. Because just this season there were about 4 of them that were worse than that one.

[Hooe]

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You're league MVP and you're not thinking to pick up a fumble? After taking two steps towards it?

Not buying that whatsoever.

Given that none of us have played professional football and I only know of two posters in the history of this site who played Division I college football - hell, I've never suited up for a single down of organized football on any level - I think it's mostly impossible for any of us to try to put ourselves in the mindset of a highly-trained professional athlete playing in the biggest game of his life in front of literally 150,000,000 people.

It's easy for anyone of us to armchair quarterback and say "he should have dove for the ball". Well yeah, duh, if he doesn't get the ball it's a turnover. It's another thing entirely to actually not get caught up in whatever the hell adrenaline, emotions, trained instinct, and the sheer ridiculousness that is the of the situation of playing in the Super Bowl and actually do it.

The most we can say is Cam Newton made a mental mistake and that error slammed the door on his team's already razor-thin chances of victory at that point in the game. Anything more than that is pushing agendas.

[p_rushing]

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The most we can say is Cam Newton made a mental mistake and that error slammed the door on his team's already razor-thin chances of victory at that point in the game. Anything more than that is pushing agendas.

Actually you can read into it when you combine the rest of his body language throughout the game. He was defeated mentally in the game and already had given up if you watch his body language and energy.

To me he just doesn't have the want too to lay everything on the line to win the game. He likes being the center of attention when they are winning, but he doesn't like the game enough when losing. Some players never want to come off the field, never slow up, etc no matter how many points they are down.

He just didn't want to put his body on the line and take that hit when they most likely weren't going to win. You can get away with some of those players on your team, but it is hard if your QB is one of those players.

Some of it may be the coaches drilling into him not to take hits, some the softening of the NFL, and some him not believing enough. That is a pure reaction play and doesn't leave any time to think about, so goes back to him already believing they were defeated.

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[Hooe]

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To me he just doesn't have the want too to lay everything on the line to win the game. He likes being the center of attention when they are winning, but he doesn't like the game enough when losing. Some players never want to come off the field, never slow up, etc no matter how many points they are down.

Right, let's easily conclude that Cam Newton didn't want to win the Super Bowl - the pinnacle of his chosen profession - based on one mental mistake.

Let's ignore that he's an imperfect human being and psychoanalyze one cherry-picked play without qualification or relevant experience to do so - a play that didn't even realistically decide the game given the score deficit and situation at that point - to paint a conclusive picture for Cam Newton's entire career arc and persona in broad brush strokes and author a lazy, misleading, and biased narrative about another young budding superstar.

Let's ignore the other 60-some plays Newton quarterbacked where he poured his heart and soul out on the field while getting his ever-loving *** kicked by a relentless Denver pass rush which feasted on the Panthers' offensive line, doing his damnedest to keep his team in the game, but it just wasn't quite enough.

Let's ignore the unimaginable drive and amount of work which none of us can possibly relate to it must take to get to the position of NFL starting quarterback in the first place - let alone starting in the Super Bowl.

Cam was by no means perfect, but his ability, his competitive fire, his not letting the moment get too big for him, and will to win is the reason his offense had a chance. The "he didn't want it", "he's soft", and "he's a selfish me-first team-second prima-donna protecting himself / his brand / whatever" narratives based on this one play and press conference is entirely lazy and ridiculous, and they also don't hold up at all analyzed against the rest of the body of work from Sunday evening. He got beat up. Denver set a record for most QB hits in the Super Bowl, I think. And Cam kept getting up. There's no shame in that.

The moment wasn't too big for Cam and he didn't shy away from it and to say otherwise is insane. He just wasn't good enough on this day, not in the face of so many excellent performances from the Denver defense from Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware, Chris Harris, and others. Why can't that be the story and we leave good enough alone? This story doesn't need a sinister ulterior motive.

The world doesn't need another lazy LeBron James debate, it was bad enough the first time when Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith did it.