Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

[N51_rob]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

It may have been a nice play, but I'm not so sure.
Judging by Funchess' position at the last pic, the route looks to have been a *very* deep out. He makes an almost 90* cut towards the sideline. That is both a very difficult throw to make (Very few, with emphasis on very, QBs can make that pass, Cam is special in this regard) and a route with little room for YAC. That cut towards the sideline gives the safety the room and the angle to close on the ball, whereas had it been more of a 7 route Funchess' had a lot of room to run. Funchess may not have continued toward the sideline though, we don't know.

As for using this as Cam hate kindle, well it was a route that took a longass time to develop. Blame goes to the playcaller for sticking with those kinds of concepts knowing that the Broncos defenders had rabies.

Its a playcall and route combination that the Panthers have had success with all season. If I were a betting man and the rush was a half second slower that is a big completion. Looking at the screen right when he is hit tells the story, FUnches was breaking wide and the DB was lost and the underneath coverage would've been too late as the release being in the general direction of his receiver would've froze him on his man.

The detractor remark is more for the person who even if they won't say it out loud is thinking if he stepped up in the pocket he could've made the throw.

[Jr.]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Cam had about 15 yards of running room, too.

[kehlis]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Its a playcall and route combination that the Panthers have had success with all season. If I were a betting man and the rush was a half second slower that is a big completion. Looking at the screen right when he is hit tells the story, FUnches was breaking wide and the DB was lost and the underneath coverage would've been to late and the other release would've froze him on his man.

The detractor remark is more for the person who even if they won't say it out loud is thinking if he stepped up in the pocket he could've made the throw.

But your reacting to the coverage alone, not the play as a whole.

We all know the end result but Cam struggled to throw under pressure all night. That is an easy throw for him to hit without pressure but whether or not Von get's there he is still probably throwing earlier than he wanted and under pressure.

When throwing off his back foot his accuracy was way off.

[N51_rob]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Not on this throw, he had a clean pocket and was set up to deliver the ball on time and in rythm. If the pressure doesn't get there he gets this off clean. No telling if the ball sails of the receiver falls, drops it, but everything Shula was hoping for when he called this play is there at the moment of the screenshot I posted.

EDIT: Here is the view from the pocket, that is the textbook Cam throwing motion.

[kehlis]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Not on this throw, he had a clean pocket and was set up to deliver the ball on time and in rythm. If the pressure doesn't get there he gets this off clean. No telling if the ball sails of the receiver falls, drops it, but everything Shula was hoping for when he called this play is there at the moment of the screenshot I posted.

I don't disagree with your premise but you can already see him throwing from his back foot from the screens.

Even if Von didn't get there he already was starting to throw the ball before he was ready to.

[Jr.]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

I don't disagree with your premise but you can already see him throwing from his back foot from the screens.

Even if Von didn't get there he already was starting to throw the ball before he was ready to.

Cam always throws off his back foot.

[kehlis]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Cam always throws off his back foot.

I'm happy to defer to you and Rob, you've each watched more of him than I have.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Its a playcall and route combination that the Panthers have had success with all season. If I were a betting man and the rush was a half second slower that is a big completion. Looking at the screen right when he is hit tells the story, FUnches was breaking wide and the DB was lost and the underneath coverage would've been too late as the release being in the general direction of his receiver would've froze him on his man.

The detractor remark is more for the person who even if they won't say it out loud is thinking if he stepped up in the pocket he could've made the throw.

It definitely could have been a 25-30 yard gain, but the article almost makes it seem like it would have went for 6. That safety would have rolled around to change direction and significantly cut the gap while the ball was en route (assuming again that it was an out route where Funchess would continue to the sideline, different story if he turns upfield). He would not arrive in time to prevent the completion, but he would have had the angle on the sideline (assuming Funchess was even able to stay in bounds).

All I'm saying is that this is not someone streaking all by their self down the sideline. Pretty sure plays like this happen every game.

They may have had success all year with these kinds of routes, but they should have switched it up this game. You should not constantly throw down field when the defense is giving you 3 seconds to get the ball out before getting hit. That is maybe hindsight though; he completes that pass the game is different.

[N51_rob]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Oh well I agree that it wasn't going to be a house call unless there was a broken tackle at best.


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[superjames1992]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

That's the risk you run when you try to run an out route 25 yards down the field. You need the line to hold up for a really long time to run something like that, and it just didn't. Probably not the best play call against a defensive line that had been shredding the Carolina offensive line all game, but eh.

[Speedy]

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Cam always throws off his back foot.

Always.

It worried me for the first couple of years in the league because he was always high with his throws but I've grown accustomed to see that's simply his mechanics and that he has incredible arm strength.

[p_rushing]

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Always.

It worried me for the first couple of years in the league because he was always high with his throws but I've grown accustomed to see that's simply his mechanics and that he has incredible arm strength.

I'm getting flashbacks just looking at that picture ... can't look at it ... makes me remember Leftwich (or Sackwich) and I already thought Cam reminded me of him with his huddle and pre-snap look, almost like they are bored or asleep. Now I see he has the same all arm motion which leaves everything high and hard to put any touch on the ball. Cam is a lot better than him though.

[kingkilla56]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Don't see much similarity in cam and Byrons throwing motion at all personally.

[slickdtc]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Cam's throwing motion looks so strained. I guess when you're built like a truck your mechanics can be off because you make up for it with raw strength. But hey, he's been doing it forever so it's working out okay.

Leftwich had a big windup as I recall. More like Winston before he corrected it a bit last year. Winston puts some heat on his throws too.

[Jr.]

Re: Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers Game Discussion Thread

Don't see much similarity in cam and Byrons throwing motion at all personally.

Yeah they're really not alike at all