2022 Offseason Thread

[ggsimmonds]

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Going to disagree with this on the basis that Ryan should have been traded a year ago, but the cap situation was even worse so it didn't make sense. He shouldn't have been traded due to lack of ability, because he's still a good QB even at his age. This was a move that needed to happen though simply because the team sucks. It was and is devoid of any real talent outside of just a couple of players, and there is no point in having an old and expensive QB on your roster when you're not going to win now anyway. The dead money hit for 2022 is kind of moot because they weren't winning with him and they aren't winning without him. This is a situation of ripping off the bandaid all at once instead of slowly bleeding out.

However, I'm in complete agreement about his botching of the Watson deal is a major screw up. I'm extremely happy that the deal didn't get done (never should have even been considered), but it's a pretty bad look for everything to have been as public as it was and still not get it done while the franchise QB of the last 15 years is still on your roster.

The worst part of this is that you are really wasting 2 more years of Kyle Pitts career with the 2022 tank and likely a 1st year QB in 2023. But that is what happens when you spend #4 pick on a tight end when you have major roster holes everywhere and an aging QB.

Agree, it makes sense to move him while he still has value.

Jay Glazer says that it was always Ryan for the Colts. That was the plan from the start of offseason. Yet the Falcons waited until after Watson signed elsewhere before making the deal. Was their intention to keep Ryan if they missed on Watson? And in doing so did they cost themselves better compensation? It seems like if the Colts wanted Ryan, then after they traded Wentz Atlanta should have had a bit more leverage to at least make the draft pick a second rounder I would think. I may just be overestimating Ryan's trade value tho. Seems like an odd sequence of events though.

Regardless, this offseason has not been kind to Atlanta. How they go from a win-now move in pursuing Watson to just a few days later pivot into a rebuild suggests a lack of any kind of plan.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Not the biggest football move out there, but Malcolm Butler returning to the Pats is an interesting story

[georgiafan]

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Moving Ryan in general is fine as the team clearly needs a fresh start and a proper rebuild that will take a few years. The issue is how horrible somewhere between the owner and GM handled the situation almost getting nothing for him. If they wanted to trade Ryan clearly you would have wanted to do that before all the other moves happened to create more leverage

The Watson situation was just a complete disaster and it shows the GM has no long term plan and is just making things up on the fly. A few days later after it came out Ryan was going to restructure his contract which would keep him around for another year. It was oh we are going to go after Watson now before the restructure was official. Its pretty simple Atlanta got caught flirting and it cost them.

I saw just now that Atlanta didn't bother reaching out to lawyer of the 22 women in the civil case so basically they didn't even research to see how serious the claims are and to judge his character. They just wanted Watson as they thought he would sell more tickets.

The only thing that can make this worse now is reaching for a QB at 9 in a weak class when your be drafting in the top 10 again next year.

Agree, it makes sense to move him while he still has value.

Jay Glazer says that it was always Ryan for the Colts. That was the plan from the start of offseason. Yet the Falcons waited until after Watson signed elsewhere before making the deal. Was their intention to keep Ryan if they missed on Watson? And in doing so did they cost themselves better compensation? It seems like if the Colts wanted Ryan, then after they traded Wentz Atlanta should have had a bit more leverage to at least make the draft pick a second rounder I would think. I may just be overestimating Ryan's trade value tho. Seems like an odd sequence of events though.

Regardless, this offseason has not been kind to Atlanta. How they go from a win-now move in pursuing Watson to just a few days later pivot into a rebuild suggests a lack of any kind of plan.

Going to disagree with this on the basis that Ryan should have been traded a year ago, but the cap situation was even worse so it didn't make sense. He shouldn't have been traded due to lack of ability, because he's still a good QB even at his age. This was a move that needed to happen though simply because the team sucks. It was and is devoid of any real talent outside of just a couple of players, and there is no point in having an old and expensive QB on your roster when you're not going to win now anyway. The dead money hit for 2022 is kind of moot because they weren't winning with him and they aren't winning without him. This is a situation of ripping off the bandaid all at once instead of slowly bleeding out.

However, I'm in complete agreement about his botching of the Watson deal is a major screw up. I'm extremely happy that the deal didn't get done (never should have even been considered), but it's a pretty bad look for everything to have been as public as it was and still not get it done while the franchise QB of the last 15 years is still on your roster.

The worst part of this is that you are really wasting 2 more years of Kyle Pitts career with the 2022 tank and likely a 1st year QB in 2023. But that is what happens when you spend #4 pick on a tight end when you have major roster holes everywhere and an aging QB.

[kehlis]

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Moving Ryan in general is fine as the team clearly needs a fresh start and a proper rebuild that will take a few years. The issue is how horrible somewhere between the owner and GM handled the situation almost getting nothing for him. If they wanted to trade Ryan clearly you would have wanted to do that before all the other moves happened to create more leverage

More leverage or not they weren’t going to get more for Ryan than what they ended up getting.

[georgiafan]

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Carson Wentz who is hated by his teammates and is now on the 3rd team in 3 years. Went for a 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and move up in the 2nd round which is valued at a 4th rounder. Atlanta didn't even get the good 3rd round pick.

Matt and Carson are in the same range of a QB and Matt is much better in the leadership department. I think Ryan's contract is even better then Carson's from the side of the team that traded for him.

I'm sure a team like the Steelers would have liked to have Ryan or at the least would have called and asked about him.

More leverage or not they weren’t going to get more for Ryan than what they ended up getting.

[steelerfan]

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Every move the Steelers have made this offseason has been about getting younger. I'm not inclined to believe they would want a 37 year old QB whose contract would inhibit them from addressing other areas of need.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Carson Wentz who is hated by his teammates and is now on the 3rd team in 3 years. Went for a 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and move up in the 2nd round which is valued at a 4th rounder. Atlanta didn't even get the good 3rd round pick.



Matt and Carson are in the same range of a QB and Matt is much better in the leadership department. I think Ryan's contract is even better then Carson's from the side of the team that traded for him.



I'm sure a team like the Steelers would have liked to have Ryan or at the least would have called and asked about him.

Wentz’ contract has 2 more years left but it’s not guaranteed after this year so if Washington wants to go in a different direction next season, they can.

Ryan has these next 2 years and then he’s a FA, so from a contract standpoint, you’d most certainly would rather have Wentz. Now of course, the Colts could always move Ryan after this year but there would still be some sort of cap penalty.

[ojandpizza]

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So somebody can correct me if I’m wrong here as I don’t follow NFL off-seasons nearly as closely as the NBA and don’t have a great benchmark for how to truly gauge player value and all that… but is 5 draft picks with two of them being a 1st and 2nd rounder not a massive overpay for Hill?

[ggsimmonds]

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Wentz’ contract has 2 more years left but it’s not guaranteed after this year so if Washington wants to go in a different direction next season, they can.

Ryan has these next 2 years and then he’s a FA, so from a contract standpoint, you’d most certainly would rather have Wentz. Now of course, the Colts could always move Ryan after this year but there would still be some sort of cap penalty.

Colts did what to me is a odd move in that they restructured the final two years of his contract, and effectively guaranteed both years. Its very unlikely they would move Ryan after this season because doing so would offer no cap relief.

I don't get why they did that.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/matt-ryan-contract-details-colts-falcons-dead-cap/euc1gdrxurthgcgjc2zevek8

[ggsimmonds]

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So somebody can correct me if I’m wrong here as I don’t follow NFL off-seasons nearly as closely as the NBA and don’t have a great benchmark for how to truly gauge player value and all that… but is 5 draft picks with two of them being a 1st and 2nd rounder not a massive overpay for Hill?

I think it is but reports are that the Jets had an equal offer and KC gave him the choice of where to go. The Jets offer didn't include a first and instead had more smaller picks of equivalent value.

If two teams were willing to pay that price for Hill maybe its not an overpay. I personally would not give all that up for a 28 yr old WR, but that may be a minority opinion.

[kehlis]

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Carson Wentz who is hated by his teammates and is now on the 3rd team in 3 years. Went for a 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and move up in the 2nd round which is valued at a 4th rounder. Atlanta didn't even get the good 3rd round pick.



Matt and Carson are in the same range of a QB and Matt is much better in the leadership department. I think Ryan's contract is even better then Carson's from the side of the team that traded for him.



I'm sure a team like the Steelers would have liked to have Ryan or at the least would have called and asked about him.

Age/cost/control are all things that matter too.

[illwill10]

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"The #Chiefs are signing former #Packers WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to a three-year, $30 million deal with $18 million in the first two years and incentives to reach a maximum of $36 million, his agents @NSAFootball tell @RapSheet and me. ����"

'Eagles are re-signing free-agent DE Derek Barnett to a two-year deal, per source."

I was hoping he would sign elsewhere. He was good for 1-2 dumb penalties every game

[ggsimmonds]

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Age/cost/control are all things that matter too.

You're right, and its funny for Atlanta but I think Ryan's age is actually a positive for Indy, but thats not something Atlanta can use as a selling point.

"Hey he's also 37 so you don't have to commit long term to him and he can only help you win now"

"Hot damn take my draft picks!" is probably not going to be any team's response to that.

[ggsimmonds]

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Now that the details are out, lets take a moment to lol at Za'Darius Smith.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesot...s-smith-16848/

(its probably a one year deal)

[illwill10]

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Now that the details are out, lets take a moment to lol at Za'Darius Smith.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesot...s-smith-16848/

(its probably a one year deal)

It definitely seems likely that it ends up an one year deal. He would almost have to hit those high incentives for the Vikings to want to bring him back for that drastically cap hit increase at 31 years old especially if the Vikings don't make a jump into a playoff contender.