Official Denver Broncos Thread

[av7]

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http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_18621060

The unremitting, unrelenting smile was, like his life the past week, turned upside down. Tim Tebow's face strained from the rare, uncharacteristic frown.

"My dream, since I was a young boy, of being a starting quarterback in the NFL seemed to be coming true," Tebow told me as we stood outside the Broncos' locker room.

"Then, I felt like it was grabbed back away. . . ." He paused and didn't finish the thought. Instead, he finished his quart of milk.

Don't get outplayed, its pretty simple.

[Broncos86]

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http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_18621060




Don't get outplayed, its pretty simple.

I saw that article, and I felt the same thing. Why would anyone want something handed to them? Aaron Rodgers sat for what, 3 years? Didn't seem to hurt him one bit.

[wwharton]

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Seems uncharacteristic for him. Maybe they caught him at the wrong time, but he's been in the league for a freaking year, and that quote makes it sound like he just got cut.

[Sportsforever]

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The "Tebow thing" is just stupid. Listening to the radio out here they keep calling him a "bust" and talking about it EVERY day. I think the media is definitely enjoying making something of this QB controversy.

[av7]

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Hard to have a controversy when Orton has outplayed everyone at quarterback since camp opened. Tebow shouldn't be forced out there as if he was a high first-round pick, he needs time still.

Orton got screwed over last year with the final games since they were already out of the season and Studesville had nothing to lose as the interim coach.

With the new power offense, Orton may or may not improve with 3rd downs and redzone. Last year's stats, hard to hold against him when they had the worst running game. Teams made them one dimensional and predictable very quickly.

[Broncos86]

Just got out of Mile High. Orton and Quinn good, Tebow terrible.

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[Sportsforever]

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Just got out of Mile High. Orton and Quinn good, Tebow terrible.

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How did everyone look as a whole? Did the defense at least look better than last year? The running game?

[Sportsforever]

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Just got out of Mile High. Orton and Quinn good, Tebow terrible.

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I found an article with some footage of the scrimmage...I don't know how Tebow looked, but his throwing motion is definitely tweaked. I think it looks good. It says Tebow faced the 1st team defense and was 1-3 while Quinn/Orton faced the 2nd teamers.

[Broncos86]

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I found an article with some footage of the scrimmage...I don't know how Tebow looked, but his throwing motion is definitely tweaked. I think it looks good. It says Tebow faced the 1st team defense and was 1-3 while Quinn/Orton faced the 2nd teamers.

Tebow's actual throwing motion looks good. His mechanics don't really look very bad. He gets the ball out quickly. But during scrimmage (and yes, he went up against the #1 defense), he was hesitant, missed reads all over the place, was sacked three or four times, and was inaccurate when throwing to the flats. He had one nice pass over the middle on a slant route. That was is only decent play.

Quinn and Orton had command of their offenses. They found the open receivers quickly, made accurate passes (Quinn had one flubbed pass), and moved the chains. Orton handled pressure very well, as did Quinn. Quinn was the only QB whose offense had a TD (though Orton should've had one, Eric Decker stepped on the line in the endzone.). Orton is CLEARLY the #1 QB. And I won't be shocked with Quinn overtakes Tebow, based on what I saw (negating what I said previously). Quinn looks far more comfortable running the offense and going through progressions than Tebow. At one point, I'd say half the people there actually booed Tebow because of the craptacular passes.

The running game was solid. Moreno and Ball were impressive. Decisive, powerful, and quick. Moreno had a very nice screen pass that he took ... 40 yards? Our first team defense harassed Tebow the entire time. Dumervil and Ayers caused havoc in the backfield, which is exciting. And I think Von Miller got a sack. The front seven did very well.

[wwharton]

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I forgot all about Ball. That should be a great pick up.

[Jonsco28]

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This comparison of Orton and Tebow based on a scrimmage bothers me a little.

Orton runs with the first team offense against the second string defense. Still couldn't get it into the endzone (I know Decker dropped one). Tebow is running the second string offense against the first string defense and has problems...sounds like due to lack of time in the pocket. Hmm... None of that surprises me.

It seems like it was a little bit of a ploy here to set the first teams up to look good in front of the fans. That's fine. A little boost in morale is something that is needed.

Let me ask you this, though... If Orton ran against the 1's and Tebow against the 2's, how would that have played out? Just curious. If Tebow didn't have any time, Orton wouldn't have had time either and we all now how he plays under pressure.

[Sportsforever]

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This comparison of Orton and Tebow based on a scrimmage bothers me a little.

Orton runs with the first team offense against the second string defense. Still couldn't get it into the endzone (I know Decker dropped one). Tebow is running the second string offense against the first string defense and has problems...sounds like due to lack of time in the pocket. Hmm... None of that surprises me.

It seems like it was a little bit of a ploy here to set the first teams up to look good in front of the fans. That's fine. A little boost in morale is something that is needed.

Let me ask you this, though... If Orton ran against the 1's and Tebow against the 2's, how would that have played out? Just curious. If Tebow didn't have any time, Orton wouldn't have had time either and we all now how he plays under pressure.

It's interesting because I read Woody Paige's column on the scrimmage and he certainly didn't make it sound like Tebow played awful or Orton was great. In fact, he pointed out the sacks they credited Tebow with wouldn't have been sacks in a game since Tebow was scrambling out of the pocket when they blew the whistle.

I don't think Tebow should/will start, but I am getting a little tired of hearing that he's a "bust" when he's played all of 3 NFL games and has definitely shown improvement.

[Jonsco28]

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I don't think Tebow should/will start, but I am getting a little tired of hearing that he's a "bust" when he's played all of 3 NFL games and has definitely shown improvement.

Amen.

I don't know either. I do know this...Kyle Orton is 5-18 as the
Broncos starter following their 6-0 start in '09. Defense or not, he wasn't getting it done. That's worse than Tebow's 1-2 start, and it was his first three games. I believe that Tebow had the highest QB ranking of all the recent rookie QB's in their first 3 games, including Bradford, Stafford, and Ryan. None of that's ever mentioned. Does it mean anything? No, of course not, but all you ever hear about is that Tebow can't do it. Why? When Tebow started those last three games, the team played with enthusiasm that had been severly lacking. Tebow has fire, desire, and the will that can carry a team a long ways. Elway's stats were average at best most of the time. The difference? There was a switch that Elway hit when the game was on the line. He could look horrible through three quarters and if Denver was close at the end, he found a way to get it done. I get that same feeling with Tebow.

I don't know if Tebow is the answer, but I do know that Orton is not. It is highly probable that Orton WILL NOT be back with Denver next year regardless of what happens. Orton is a serviceable QB, but I don't think that's going to get it done. Orton does well as long as the play developes as planned (see Brian Griese). He is not an improvisor, and he cannot make a play out of something that isn't there. Whether or not you can do something with those broken plays is huge in the NFL, and I believe Tebow has the ability to extend those plays and make things happen.

They need to find out what they have in this kid...

5-18!!!!

[Broncos86]

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1) Tebow's sacks came from a lack of proper reads. He failed to make proper reads, guys were open. When he did make a read, he was off the mark. The end. He completed ONE pass, a quick seam route. His throws were way off the mark. If Woody Paige would pay attention, Tebow only scrambled AFTER the defense got their hands on him. And Dumervil literally SACKED Tebow once, Tebow ended up on his arse.

2) Orton was the QB who shined under pressure and marched the offense down the field.

Everyone might remember I had Tebow as my avatar (I wanted something new). So it's not like I've been a Tebow basher. And I'm not a Tebow basher. But right now, Tebow needs to sit behind a starter for another year or two. Look, I'm not here to be a basher or a homer. I'm here to be honest. Right now, Tebow isn't getting it done, Orton is. Orton was the one who handled pressure. Tebow was the one who couldn't even hit a screen pass accurately, with time in the pocket. I'm no basher, but Tebow does not belong as the #1 QB right now.

Jonsco28, that's a terrible point of view, and it's very short-sighted. If the Broncos had a solid defense the last two years, and had a decent running game, and still lost, I'd look to Orton. The fact of the matter is, we were often playing from behind, and we relied HEAVILY on the pass. Peyton Manning would've failed in that situation. It doesn't take long for defenses to figure out you can't run the ball and start looking for passes. The result? The front seven pins their ears back and attacks the QB.

Anyone saying "Orton isn't getting it done" (looking at you, Jonsco) isn't being an objective Broncos fan. Orton was not the problem. Heck, he and Lloyd were the ONLY aspect of 2010 that was positive! But Broncos fans want an excuse, and Orton isn't flashy. They want to throw Tebow in there when A) the team isn't behind him right now (just look to the words of Robert Ayers, Brandon Lloyd, etc., they all support Orton) and B) he doesn't deserve it. He's NOT ready. What real Broncos fans need to do is get over this affair of what Tebow might be and look at reality. Tebow is a PROJECT. He needs a ton of work. I've been to the training camps, I've watched scrimmages. Orton is so far ahead of Tebow it's not even a debate.

Tebow isn't making his reads, his passes are off the mark, he's not getting it done. Let the kid sit. Orton has put up VERY good numbers the last two years, and ANYONE who is an intelligent objective football fan should be able to look at the Broncos and figure out that Orton should be the starter. Don't blame Orton for McDaniels' shortcomings as a head coach. Heck, right now, Brady Quinn is better than Tebow. That's not calling Tebow a bust at all, but Tebow needs to sit back and be a student.

[Sportsforever]

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1) Tebow's sacks came from a lack of proper reads. He failed to make proper reads, guys were open. When he did make a read, he was off the mark. The end. He completed ONE pass, a quick seam route. His throws were way off the mark. If Woody Paige would pay attention, Tebow only scrambled AFTER the defense got their hands on him. And Dumervil literally SACKED Tebow once, Tebow ended up on his arse.

2) Orton was the QB who shined under pressure and marched the offense down the field.

Everyone might remember I had Tebow as my avatar (I wanted something new). So it's not like I've been a Tebow basher. And I'm not a Tebow basher. But right now, Tebow needs to sit behind a starter for another year or two. Look, I'm not here to be a basher or a homer. I'm here to be honest. Right now, Tebow isn't getting it done, Orton is. Orton was the one who handled pressure. Tebow was the one who couldn't even hit a screen pass accurately, with time in the pocket. I'm no basher, but Tebow does not belong as the #1 QB right now.

Jonsco28, that's a terrible point of view, and it's very short-sighted. If the Broncos had a solid defense the last two years, and had a decent running game, and still lost, I'd look to Orton. The fact of the matter is, we were often playing from behind, and we relied HEAVILY on the pass. Peyton Manning would've failed in that situation. It doesn't take long for defenses to figure out you can't run the ball and start looking for passes. The result? The front seven pins their ears back and attacks the QB.

Anyone saying "Orton isn't getting it done" (looking at you, Jonsco) isn't being an objective Broncos fan. Orton was not the problem. Heck, he and Lloyd were the ONLY aspect of 2010 that was positive! But Broncos fans want an excuse, and Orton isn't flashy. They want to throw Tebow in there when A) the team isn't behind him right now (just look to the words of Robert Ayers, Brandon Lloyd, etc., they all support Orton) and B) he doesn't deserve it. He's NOT ready. What real Broncos fans need to do is get over this affair of what Tebow might be and look at reality. Tebow is a PROJECT. He needs a ton of work. I've been to the training camps, I've watched scrimmages. Orton is so far ahead of Tebow it's not even a debate.

Tebow isn't making his reads, his passes are off the mark, he's not getting it done. Let the kid sit. Orton has put up VERY good numbers the last two years, and ANYONE who is an intelligent objective football fan should be able to look at the Broncos and figure out that Orton should be the starter. Don't blame Orton for McDaniels' shortcomings as a head coach. Heck, right now, Brady Quinn is better than Tebow. That's not calling Tebow a bust at all, but Tebow needs to sit back and be a student.

I pretty much agree with you on a lot of this except for the Quinn is better than Tebow. Quinn may look better in camp this year, but we have seen what Quinn can do (12 NFL starts) and the guy is horrible. No mobility and cannot throw downfield.

I don't want Tebow to start this year...I wanted him to sit 2-3 years and then get a chance. What i don't want to hear, however, is that him not starting at this point = bust. That's just stupid.