Official Denver Broncos Thread

[wwharton]

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People really need to stop tripping on Tebow too. Most "NFL ready" Qbs would be behind the curve still at this point in year 2... of a season with a lockout and no OTAs. Everyone knew he was a project so he should be even farther behind. I don't know what the rush is. Maybe they shouldn't have let him get a couple of starts last year, skewing expectations. He's not ready, and he shouldn't be.

[Broncos86]

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People really need to stop tripping on Tebow too. Most "NFL ready" Qbs would be behind the curve still at this point in year 2... of a season with a lockout and no OTAs. Everyone knew he was a project so he should be even farther behind. I don't know what the rush is. Maybe they shouldn't have let him get a couple of starts last year, skewing expectations. He's not ready, and he shouldn't be.

The source is simply that he's Tim Tebow, and he's a first round draft pick. If he had been a 4th round pick like he should've been (and had the Broncos not given up so much to get him), I think people would be more patient. But the fact is, he was a first round QB and the Broncos struggled last year.

I personally feel the kid needs to sit for several years and learn how to be a pro-style QB. The issue is whether the Broncos want to pay him to ride the pine.

[wwharton]

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The source is simply that he's Tim Tebow, and he's a first round draft pick. If he had been a 4th round pick like he should've been (and had the Broncos not given up so much to get him), I think people would be more patient. But the fact is, he was a first round QB and the Broncos struggled last year.

I personally feel the kid needs to sit for several years and learn how to be a pro-style QB. The issue is whether the Broncos want to pay him to ride the pine.

I understand that (the issue) but definitely doesn't make it right. The team should do the right thing and not listen to the idiots out there that tie the round he was drafted to where he should be in his development process. Now people can complain about him being drafted in the first round if they want. But he was... that doesn't automatically make him more ready than if he was drafted later (I know you agree, just ranting).

[Broncos86]

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I understand that (the issue) but definitely doesn't make it right. The team should do the right thing and not listen to the idiots out there that tie the round he was drafted to where he should be in his development process. Now people can complain about him being drafted in the first round if they want. But he was... that doesn't automatically make him more ready than if he was drafted later (I know you agree, just ranting).

Yep, I do. And really, I think Coach Fox has done a great job of buffering the team from the outside hoopla. While the media and the fans rant and rave about Tebow and where he should be, Coach Fox is more concerned with getting players ready to win. I think the best thing Coach Fox can do is put Tebow at 3rd string and even deactivate him for games. Don't even put him in a position where the B.S. can arise.

[Jonsco28]

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Saw this on Josh Looman's twitter. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...st-qb-in-camp/

I saw that as well.

I do believe a lot of this is media hype just because it's Tebow, but I have to say that I am disappointed with where Tebow is at right now. I can't say that I disagree with where he is on the depth chart or necessarily how he is perceived right now. The lock-out hurt Tebow, but he didn't help himself as much as he could have. Just my opinion, but maybe he should have been spending a little bit less time selling books and modeling underwear.

[Broncos86]

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I saw that as well.

I do believe a lot of this is media hype just because it's Tebow, but I have to say that I am disappointed with where Tebow is at right now. I can't say that I disagree with where he is on the depth chart or necessarily how he is perceived right now. The lock-out hurt Tebow, but he didn't help himself as much as he could have. Just my opinion, but maybe he should have been spending a little bit less time selling books and modeling underwear.

Both Quinn and Tebow sought out experts during the off-season. Quinn met up with QB gurus, and Tebow with publicist and PR gurus.

[Jonsco28]

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In the Madden countdown thread (sorry, I don't know how to quote other threads), Broncos86 wrote:

"If one looks at Elway's stats, you won't find a methodical, accurate passer. John Elway was surrounded by average talent for most of his career. But Elway wasn't about surgeon-like accurate passes or cunning defensive reads. He was about survival, grit, and the ability to extend a play with his legs. He had the ability to fire the football from across the field and still hit his receivers in stride. He was leadership, determination, and spirit all rolled into one. But most importantly, John Elway was a winner and is currently second in all-time wins by a quarterback."

This is exactly the potential I see in Tebow. Whether or not he can attain this level is yet to be determined. With Elway behind center, you always felt like there was a chance.... and more often than not that chance was made good.

[Broncos86]

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The potential is certainly there, it'll just take longer. Elway was more NFL-ready, and had a God-given howitzer for an arm. He was a passer who could scramble, not an option QB. That's where Tebow needs time, to get that familiarity with being under center, reading defenses, etc. Tebow is just now learning what Adam Weber did for four straight years at Minnesota.

[kehlis]

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Whoa, lets pull the reigns back on the Elway-Tebow comparisons.

The biggest comparison between the two is being able to make plays happen on the run and even that isn't close. Elway would go through multiple progressions before moving whereas Tebow is one and done.

They both are fierce competitors, but so is pretty much every other NFL QB regardless of how they show it.

Don't take this as me being a Tebow *****, you can see my previous posts here, I think there could very well be a tremendous upside to him and I want to see his potential.

Making comparisons though with Tebow, who most didn't expect to be drafted until the third round compared to a unanimous number one overall pick is ludicrous.

[Jonsco28]

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Believe me, I'm not comparing Tebow to Elway. I'm just saying that I see certain intangible traits in Tebow that Elway had as well.

[Broncos86]

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I really want to see more of Adam Weber in a game.

[Jonsco28]

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Believe it or not, Elway was a lot like Tebow early in his career. He didn't drop back and go through multiple progressions before running. Often he'd do just like Tebow does....look at his first read and if that wasn't there he would take off running. That's mostly what he did in his first starts. It took him a while to settle in. I remember watching that first game that Elway started against the Steelers and he ran all over the place. I believe he was quoted as saying that he looked into that Steeler defense and said he was ready to give all the money back because he didn't want any part of that (half joking, of course).

The main difference is that Elway was a true QB with solid mechanics (even with that, I remember critics jumping on him by saying that he telegraphed his throws with his 'patting' of the ball before he threw it). He also had the ability to scramble and make plays out of nothing.

No question - right now there is ABSOLUTELY no comparison between Elway and Tebow, but like I said above.... there are traits common between the two. Elway's traits translated into an awesome career, and Tebow's are simply potential waiting to be realized. Tebow has much more work to get there than Elway did.

[Jonsco28]

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I really want to see more of Adam Weber in a game.

Fourth preason game you'll probably get your wish.

[Aggies7]

I really want to see more of Adam Weber in a game.

Won't see that in 3rd preseason game for simple reason Orton will play 3 quarters and then I guess Quinn and Tebow split 4th.

What everyone is forgetting is that Fox will likely use Tebow in different package during season that he is not willing to show during preseason. I personally do not agree with the changing QBs to get a player in for a certain package but that is most likely Fox's plan.

[Broncos86]

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Believe it or not, Elway was a lot like Tebow early in his career.

This is a bit inaccurate. Elway came in to the league as a passer who scrambled. Tebow is an option QB. Elway was familiar with playing under center, reading progressions, etc. Bear in mind, Elway was a SCRAMBLER. He used his legs to extend the play more often than he did to gain yardage, and he had the arm strength to throw while on the run. This is a big difference from Tebow who simply pulls down the ball and runs for it. Elways' major strength was his arm. Tebow's major strength is his legs.

Tebow is learning now what most rookies already have learned in several years in college. Elway had to adjust to progressions on a pro level (the speed, the smaller passing windows). Tebow is learning progressions on a fundamental level. Elway went through progressive reads at Stanford, Tebow was playing option QB. Because Tebow can't get out from under center quickly, he's behind in his timing. For most rookies, it's about speed. For Tebow, it's about learning the underlying fundamentals. He's learning stuff right now that John Elway learned in high school.

Won't see that in 3rd preseason game for simple reason Orton will play 3 quarters and then I guess Quinn and Tebow split 4th.

What everyone is forgetting is that Fox will likely use Tebow in different package during season that he is not willing to show during preseason. I personally do not agree with the changing QBs to get a player in for a certain package but that is most likely Fox's plan.

Of course, I do know that the 3rd preseason game is mostly for the starters (I've been around long enough to know this). I DO disagree with the Tebow idea. I don't think Tebow will be activated on Sundays. Elway gave an interview on KOA last week, and he was asked about that new extra roster spot and whether teams will use it for a 3rd QB. Elway responded that they'd likely go with two QBs, and use that extra roster spot for whatever position needs another man (e.g. if a guard is questionable, activate an extra guard). Honestly, I'm thinking Tebow sits the entire year.