Official Denver Broncos Thread

[TDenverFan]

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Ronnie Hillman will not even dress for this next game, CJ Anderson will.

Good. I love Hillman, but he has looked bad.


CJ Anderson seems to have a really great motor, and is going to give 150%.

IIRC, he tweeted something like, "Once I get my chance, I'm making sure I'll take this over"

[kehlis]

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Two ankle sprains for Manning, both suffered in the Jaguars game with the first being on the first offensive play of the game.

[Broncos86]

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I loved seeing the explosiveness that CJ Anderson brought to the running game. A very nice outing, IMO, for a first game back from an injury. And no RB fumbles! Instead, Manning felt he needed to make up for that and throw 3 INTs and fumble the ball once.

Defense played very well, overall. They only allowed 14 points, and 7 were due to a very short field. The second half was a nice display of pass-rush. It's odd that the Redskins abandoned the running game so quickly, even with the game tied 21-21. That really doomed them.

Manning played fine, but a LOT of his yards are after the catch. Just about all 89 yards of Moreno's receptions were YAC. Several long screens as well. Teams like the Chiefs and Patriots are going to see that and game plan against that. I hope the Broncos can get rested and come out of the bye week healthier. I question just how good Peyton Manning is feeling right now. He's taken some hits, and I think it's wearing him down. He even mentioned they should just put "body" on the injury report for him.

[The JareBear]

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I've been thinking a lot about the defense that last 3 games.

It looked better against Washington, no doubt, but RG3 was also not sharp at all that game, and as mentioned, they inexplicably abandoned the run after gashing us in the first half.

I don't get too caught up in in the "last passing defense in the NFL" talk, because as everyone says, when youre leading the whole game the other team has to pass. That being said. I do not think we have consistent pass rushers outside of Phillips (and I barely put him on that list) and Von. I hate to bash Elway, because that gets you shunned in this community despite how valid it may be, but I gotta be honest, our last top draft picks from previous two drafts (Wolfe, Ball, Williams, Osweiler) are doing absolutely nothing to help this team win right now. Webster looks like a steal though, so I give them credit for that. Ball has shown SOME flashes, I admit, so let's just talk about Williams and Wolfe. From what I understand, Williams isn't even worth dressing out for games at this point, and Wolfe has had some pressures here or there but I pretty much see him getting stoned at the line more often than not. Not saying these guys are complete misses. I know it is early for Williams, and I know Wolfe had a decent sack total last year (even though I felt a lot of those were garbage stats). I dunno.

That being said, as a whole, I have to feel this defense is pretty talented. I look at the secondary and I see good young players, some with lots and lots of speed/instinct. The linebackers are definitely not deep, we saw a huge dropoff without Woodyard, but with him on the field we are so much better. So, since I don't feel talent is the issue, I have to look at coaching. I know Del Rio is loved around here and we like to pretend he's perfect, I think it's easy to forgot that there have been numerous games where he has been outcoached since coming here, especially during the first half of the season last year. I feel like he likes to throw out these really exotic zone/zone blitzes a little more often than the average rate and more often than not in the NFL that gets you burned. I still absolutely HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE seeing Von in coverage on obvious passing downs when the game is close. One pick six that was thrown right to him does not justify that in my eyes. First down, second down, yeah, mix it up, but I want his hand in the dirt any and every time we have to make a stop on a pass play.

I gotta be honest. I don't see us winning the Super Bowl. I do not think we are a tough team. I look at our super talented offense and all these great pass catchers but, other than Welker, these guys look for flags way too often. Decker, you pretty boy, LAY OUT FOR THE BALL and THEN look for the flag, it's like these guys get touched and immediately stop running and are flopping their arms looking for he PI call. Sell out, son! Jesus. Go up for a ball, get dirty. There were plays in that WSH game that blew my mind. Letting a DB get in front of you on a slant (a fundamental, football 101 No-No), letting the DB go up for the pick and not even trying to stop that from happening (get an offensive PI call if you have to, do SOMETHING), I mean, we just need to get tougher out there.

Defensively, if Von isn't getting to the passer, I just don't see someone doing it regularly. Sacks don't impress me, Elvis had lots of sacks but would disappear for most of the game. The guys from the Bengals, the guys from the Panthers, those d-lines apply consistent pressure, and that is BIG, just as big as sacks IMO. I don't think we do that. Look at the Dallas game. Our o-line is obviously really banged up and that will bite us in the butt against a good team.

And, finally, the topic nobody around here wants to talk about. Peyton Manning cannot throw the ball effectively farther than 30-35 yards max, and that always seems to be exploited in any close game/loss yet the media seems to totally ignore it. I didn't hear anybody talk about his two INTs against Baltimore in the playoffs either, or his sudden slew of turnovers recently. Manning is probably the smartest QB to ever play the game. He masks his physical limitations with his absolutely godly football IQ. That comes at a cost though. He knows he can't improvise, he can't scramble out and throw a 60 yard strike on the fly, ala Stafford, Rodgers. He just can't. Everything has to be planned. He knows where every receiver is supposed to be, what order to look for them, etc, but as we have seen, when a defense has the stones to play man to man and stack the safeties in the box, as pretty much any team that has beaten us (especially that ATL game last year, go back and watch that one, that's the blueprint for beating Manning) has done, I mean, it's pretty simple, in the NFL if the defense knows there are things you just can't do, they are going to catch you and beat you eventually. You tell an NFL defensive coordinator that you only have to account for 25-30 yards of the field and he is gonna take that deal every day, no matter how good that QB is within those first 25 yards. I just feel like, as we saw against Baltimore, these weaknesses will always show up at the most inopportune time.

[The JareBear]

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Some positives I left out there....

I am blown away by Moreno. I thought this guy was done. Send him packing. I was wrong. He's playing possessed. I am also a fan of Anderson as well. Crap, I mean, I thought Hillman was running the ball well other than those freaking otherworldly awful fumbles, crap kid get a grip man.

If DT learns to be aggressive, high point balls, out-physical DBs, he is going to be a top 3 WR for a long time. I don't put him in the top 5 right now, I have him around 9th on my personal list because right now I think he is only good at running fast, which he does really well, but if he learns to do the things that Dez Bryant can do with and without the ball in hand, what guys like AJ Green and Roddy White do with their route running, he's going to be truly phenomenal.

I feel like Vasquez is playing lights out on the line, IMO. From what I have seen, easily our best o-lineman thus far.

Woodyard and Harris are doing their typical "play excellent and never get national recognition" routine. I would put both those guys in the pro bowl, especially Harris. That guy is a straight up baller. Ihenacho has lived up to the hype I heard out of training camp. Dude is just one of those prototype "big, fast, strong" monsters who I think will develop into a pro bowl safety.

[Broncos86]

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I'm not worried about whether or not we can win the Super Bowl. Last year, there is no way I would've counted on Baltimore to come close. Nobody saw the Giants beating the undefeated Patriots. It's all about what happens on one day.

The key is, can our defense get better? Yes, most certainly. We have a LOT of youth on defense. These kids are still feeling out the game in the NFL. They'll only get better. Von Miller will continue to find his groove. If our defense had peaked already, I'd be worried. DRC is becoming that that kind of CB people expected of him.

The key is: get to the playoffs, and stay healthy.

[gr18]

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I like the way things are going other than it seems like the 2nd half is when they kick it into gear too often.The defense shows signs of finally getting it together.We needed to see everyone getting back but it was quite pathetic for awhile.

If you look at the AFC you only have a handful of possible contenders,the Patriots don't look romotely close to that and their two best defensive players are out for the year.The Colts just lost Wayne for the season among other injuries.The Bengals look like that some games but rely on the inconsistent Dalton and now lost their best defensive player for the year.

That leaves the Chiefs as the next biggest threat.I can't say I believe in them being any better than a good team with a laughable schedule.I can't see them scoring close to 30 on us,which is what a team would need to do given that a bad offensive game would still likely produce at least 27 or so.

In the NFC the only team I find as possibly a little scary is the 49ers, but if they don't have Aldon Smith it takes away a lot from their defense.

[Jonsco28]

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I would think it would have to be Del Rio that will be named interim head coach.

[JMD]

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I like the way things are going other than it seems like the 2nd half is when they kick it into gear too often.The defense shows signs of finally getting it together.We needed to see everyone getting back but it was quite pathetic for awhile.

If you look at the AFC you only have a handful of possible contenders,the Patriots don't look romotely close to that and their two best defensive players are out for the year.The Colts just lost Wayne for the season among other injuries.The Bengals look like that some games but rely on the inconsistent Dalton and now lost their best defensive player for the year.

That leaves the Chiefs as the next biggest threat.I can't say I believe in them being any better than a good team with a laughable schedule.I can't see them scoring close to 30 on us,which is what a team would need to do given that a bad offensive game would still likely produce at least 27 or so.

In the NFC the only team I find as possibly a little scary is the 49ers, but if they don't have Aldon Smith it takes away a lot from their defense.

Let's talk for a moment about that laughable schedule. At this point week 9 the Chiefs and Bronco's have played 5 of the same teams. Let's take a look at those teams and the points that the Chiefs and Bronco's gave up to each.

Eagles - Bronco's gave up 20, Chiefs 16
Cowboys - Bronco's gave up 48 , Chiefs 16
Giants - Bronco's gave up 23, Chiefs 7
Jags - Bronco's gave up 19, Chiefs 2
Raiders - Bronco's gave up 21 , Chiefs 7

Also about that laughable schedule the Bronco's play 14 of the same exact teams. The only difference the Bronco's get the Pat's and the Ravens and the Chiefs got the Browns and the Bills two teams with decent defenses.

You think your Bronco's will be the first team to score 3 or more TD's against this defense? Maybe but I see these two games being closer then many think they will be. I don't think the Chiefs will need to score 30 to beat the Bronco's. If they rattle Manning, work their short passing game and run Charles, they can win one or both of the games against the Bronco's. Hell the Jags put up 19 and they are the worst team in the league. Either way I can't wait for the game in two weeks , it most certainly will be a test for the Chiefs. Good luck to you guys.

[kehlis]

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Let's talk for a moment about that laughable schedule. At this point week 9 the Chiefs and Bronco's have played 5 of the same teams. Let's take a look at those teams and the points that the Chiefs and Bronco's gave up to each.

Eagles - Bronco's gave up 20, Chiefs 16
Cowboys - Bronco's gave up 48 , Chiefs 16
Giants - Bronco's gave up 23, Chiefs 7
Jags - Bronco's gave up 19, Chiefs 2
Raiders - Bronco's gave up 21 , Chiefs 7

Also about that laughable schedule the Bronco's play 14 of the same exact teams. The only difference the Bronco's get the Pat's and the Ravens and the Chiefs got the Browns and the Bills two teams with decent defenses.

You think your Bronco's will be the first team to score 3 or more TD's against this defense? Maybe but I see these two games being closer then many think they will be. I don't think the Chiefs will need to score 30 to beat the Bronco's. If they rattle Manning, work their short passing game and run Charles, they can win one or both of the games against the Bronco's. Hell the Jags put up 19 and they are the worst team in the league. Either way I can't wait for the game in two weeks , it most certainly will be a test for the Chiefs. Good luck to you guys.

Your missing the larger point and you ignore one of the most important parts of winning a football game.

Yes, the KC defense is good and has played that well, but your post and your argument ignores points scored which has a big factor in that stat you posted of points given up. Just to show what you chose to ignore:

Eagles - Bronco's scored 52, Chiefs 26
Cowboys - Bronco's scored 51 , Chiefs 17
Giants - Bronco's scored 41, Chiefs 31
Jags - Bronco's scored 35, Chiefs 28
Raiders - Bronco's scored 37 , Chiefs 24


I do agree with your argument in the other thread, I could see a split between the two, but the argument you just made in this thread is laughable when you look at the offensive numbers versus the defensive numbers.

The Chiefs have only played a few games with a huge lead that their defense could play soft. That has a huge role in the points dependency's that you posted.

[Broncos86]

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Just for perspective: The Chiefs' offense did not score a single touchdown yesterday. The offense produced nothing but field goals against the Buffalo Bills.

[Jonsco28]

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The Chiefs longest drive of the day was 42 yards. They had just over 200 yards of offense.

This 'great' Chiefs defense also gave up almost 500 yards to a Tuel-led offense. An offense that self-destructed at inopportune times, with the biggest being the interception at the goal line.

I like Denver's chances in both games. A lot.

[gr18]

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Let's talk for a moment about that laughable schedule. At this point week 9 the Chiefs and Bronco's have played 5 of the same teams. Let's take a look at those teams and the points that the Chiefs and Bronco's gave up to each.

Eagles - Bronco's gave up 20, Chiefs 16
Cowboys - Bronco's gave up 48 , Chiefs 16
Giants - Bronco's gave up 23, Chiefs 7
Jags - Bronco's gave up 19, Chiefs 2
Raiders - Bronco's gave up 21 , Chiefs 7

Also about that laughable schedule the Bronco's play 14 of the same exact teams. The only difference the Bronco's get the Pat's and the Ravens and the Chiefs got the Browns and the Bills two teams with decent defenses.

You think your Bronco's will be the first team to score 3 or more TD's against this defense? Maybe but I see these two games being closer then many think they will be. I don't think the Chiefs will need to score 30 to beat the Bronco's. If they rattle Manning, work their short passing game and run Charles, they can win one or both of the games against the Bronco's. Hell the Jags put up 19 and they are the worst team in the league. Either way I can't wait for the game in two weeks , it most certainly will be a test for the Chiefs. Good luck to you guys.

I don't want to burst your bubble and you should enjoy your teams success.A win is a win but the Chiefs really haven't played well in the last three weeks against subpar teams/qb's to say the least.The Broncos have been much more impressive but anything can happen to determine a game.

I'll just leave it at that and let the next few weeks do the talking.I'm not going down the road of guaranteeing wins because that's just not smart nor do I have to convince myself of anything to have confidence in my team.I think we can get them both but know that Arrowhead is a tough place to play.

[TRC]

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JMD, can you at least admit that your Chiefs have greatly benefited from their opponents injuries, especially at the QB position, as well as their luck with lack of injuries. This type of winning is not sustainable. And why don't Chiefs fans discuss their poor offensive production? That would worry me.
You also failed to mention that Denver has played the majority of their games without many key players and still managed W's. Is KC 9-0 with 3 of these 5 players out: Albert, Hali, Houston, Johnson, and Barry? That is the equivalent of Clady, Miller, Ayers, Woodyard, and Bailey. Be truthful as this was a big reason why the Chiefs went 2-14 last season. However, Denver has proven its mettle that they can overcome injuries. At some point, KC will lose a key cog on their D, and it will be very apparent.
The most interesting thing that I have gathered from reading comments by and listening to Chiefs fans this year is that they are obsessed with beating Denver. It is their Super Bowl. Yet, Denver fans care more about this team winning the Super Bowl. It is Super Bowl or Bust, and beating the Chiefs twice is expected.

The Chiefs haven't proven a thing thus far. And, at this point, nobody is picking KC to even make it to the SB. That speaks volumes. KC fans should enjoy their winning season, but please be realistic.

[mestevo]

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I don't think you can really say the Chiefs haven't proven anything, but not going to say they're world beaters by any stretch. Their luck and strong defense so far is something I think a lot of Denver fans would recognize from a couple years ago actually...

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