Official Denver Broncos Thread

[av7]

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PFT just mentioned something about Josh Cribbs and maybe picks for Brandon Marshall.

Fair?

It meets the minimum the Broncos would take, Cribbs is just fluff imo for the trade. As long as it involves 2 early picks (1st and a 3rd) then its possible.

What would Browns do with 2 expiring contracts though and having 2 WR's who expect to be #1 and getting the majority of touches in a game?

[yvesdereuter]

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Wow. Marshall sure knows how to show his respect to Mr. B the best owner in all of sports.


There has got to be something going unsaid here.

Was the best owner.

[OSUFan_88]

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It meets the minimum the Broncos would take, Cribbs is just fluff imo for the trade. As long as it involves 2 early picks (1st and a 3rd) then its possible.

What would Browns do with 2 expiring contracts though and having 2 WR's who expect to be #1 and getting the majority of touches in a game?

Brandon and Braylon are good friends, so I would guess there would be no problems between the two, and more than likely would love to play with each other.

Certainly a Brandon and Braylon WR'er core is pretty hard to beat.

[av7]

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Brandon and Braylon are good friends, so I would guess there would be no problems between the two, and more than likely would love to play with each other.

Certainly a Brandon and Braylon WR'er core is pretty hard to beat.

For maybe one year though, both want to be paid like a #1 guy and I'm guessing the Browns wouldn't be that generous?

Marshall got jealous of Royal when Cutler was going Royal's way.. I have a hard time believing Marshall would be fine with getting his touches split in half, friendship or not. I'll have to dig up his quotes from last season about it.

[OSUFan_88]

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For maybe one year though, both want to be paid like a #1 guy and I'm guessing the Browns wouldn't be that generous?

Marshall got jealous of Royal when Cutler was going Royal's way.. I have a hard time believing Marshall would be fine with getting his touches split in half, friendship or not. I'll have to dig up his quotes from last season about it.

I guess it depends then. I'm definitely not a fan of Brandon's off the field antics.

[wwharton]

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This would have come up either this offseason or next, regardless of who's the head coach and QB. Going back to his first incidents and then the McDonalds injury, people were questioning whether or not he'll get the deal he wants in comparison to say the top 5 receivers.

If he's worried about his stats, I dont think he realized the Broncos can hold onto him and if he doesnt want to play then that wont look too pretty for his stat line.

I had 4 hours of sleep, been up since 4am, I have no patience today.

I didn't say the guy was making a good decision, lol. We can agree he's probably not the sharpest pencil in the box. I hear you about this being pretty inevitable, but I don't think he would've been talking trade... probably just another hold out. Either way, I don't think he has much of a leg to stand on and doubt he gets traded anywhere without a 1st and 3rd coming back.

[av7]

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I didn't say the guy was making a good decision, lol. We can agree he's probably not the sharpest pencil in the box. I hear you about this being pretty inevitable, but I don't think he would've been talking trade... probably just another hold out. Either way, I don't think he has much of a leg to stand on and doubt he gets traded anywhere without a 1st and 3rd coming back.

Bowlen and Co. were in talks with Marshall's agent about a new contract back in February/March but it stopped when Marshall got in trouble again with his fiancee. I'm not sure why Marshall decided to go the trade route, maybe he thinks he'll end up with Cutler for whatever reason.

Bowlen's asking price, assuming it's the 1st and 3rd, wont get matched when Boldin was dangled for a 2nd round pick and he doesn't have 13 run-ins with the law with a pending suspension still looming around.

Marshall definitely has no real leverage in this other than losing his presence on the field, how much cash does he lose if he were to sit out all of training camp and say.. 8 weeks of the season?

[mKoz26]

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They've got 8 receivers on the roster right now, 2 of which have been in the New England system, they would be ready to go at a moment's notice (Gaffney and Jackson) even though their stats don't match to what Marshall has done.

Marshall needs to show up to camp, show that his hip and hand are not an issue. Even get medical to clear it just to show that he's ready, then give him a fair contract with some sort of insurance for the organization regarding his off the field issues. If not, get value for him and let it go.

But for him to think that just because he asked for a trade doesn't mean Bowlen will just roll up into the fetal position and do what his players ask. Marshall's ego is much bigger than I thought previously

It's happened before.

[av7]

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It's happened before.

Take long to come up with that thought? Get out of the discussion if you have nothing but troll-like posts.

[mKoz26]

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Take long to come up with that thought? Get out of the discussion if you have nothing but troll-like posts.

I don't see how this is trolling, whatsoever. Are you saying that Bowlen stood his ground with the Cutler situation? I stated truth.

[av7]

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I don't see how this is trolling, whatsoever. Are you saying that Bowlen stood his ground with the Cutler situation? I stated truth.

You stated an opinion.

Bowlen didn't just say, "Golly gee Cutler, you sure do have a big arm and we'll do whatever you want sir. I mean, you made Denver Broncos who they are." He released I believe 2 pissed off statements about the way the Cutler fiasco went about and in the end he shipped out a whiny, weak minded QB for great value. Cutler wanted special treatment and guarantees, which Bowlen and Co. weren't going to give an unproven QB.

Make no mistake, this is Bowlen's team and no one else's. Cutler and Bus Cook may have tried to angle for a new contract and if that was their intent, it blew up in their face.

Marshall is gambling big time with the demand, Cutler is a QB with no previous injuries or run-ins with the law. Marshall has all the wrong things going for him.

[mKoz26]

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You stated an opinion.

Bowlen didn't just say, "Golly gee Cutler, you sure do have a big arm and we'll do whatever you want sir. I mean, you made Denver Broncos who they are." He released I believe 2 pissed off statements about the way the Cutler fiasco went about and in the end he shipped out a whiny, weak minded QB for great value. Cutler wanted special treatment and guarantees, which Bowlen and Co. weren't going to give an unproven QB.

Make no mistake, this is Bowlen's team and no one else's. Cutler and Bus Cook may have tried to angle for a new contract and if that was their intent, it blew up in their face.

Marshall is gambling big time with the demand, Cutler is a QB with no previous injuries or run-ins with the law. Marshall has all the wrong things going for him.

Bowlen traded his franchise QB. That's all there is to it. Well it is true that he got great value in the trade, he still gave in to Cutler's demand to be traded. He didn't actually roll up into the fetal position, but did the equivalent in the comparison in giving in. So, I stated fact.

[av7]

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Bowlen traded his franchise QB. That's all there is to it. Well it is true that he got great value in the trade, he still gave in to Cutler's demand to be traded. He didn't actually roll up into the fetal position, but did the equivalent in the comparison in giving in. So, I stated fact.

Bowlen attempted for over a month to reconcile with the QB but saw there was no point and pulled the trigger, why waste time and money over something you can save on in the long run. QBs have the known luxury compared to other positions to be traded if relationships sour.

Appointing Jay Cutler the title of being the "Franchise QB" is being generous. He's not there yet but it can happen, it's up to him. Almost every QB that has been drafted by the Broncos at one point or another was said to be the "franchise QB".

And with Marshall, if Bowlen trades him, I see it as a smart long term plan- not Bowlen being weak as you think. Marshall has had 13 incidents, innocent or not, and has not stayed out of trouble for a single calendar date since he's been in the NFL.. thats just sad and the odds are extremely against him.

Resume tomorrow, going to bed.

[Hammerhunker]

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For maybe one year though, both want to be paid like a #1 guy and I'm guessing the Browns wouldn't be that generous?

Marshall got jealous of Royal when Cutler was going Royal's way.. I have a hard time believing Marshall would be fine with getting his touches split in half, friendship or not. I'll have to dig up his quotes from last season about it.

How many games last year when it seemed only Marshall was on the field. Cutler had a one read progression, get the ball to Marshall. Subtracting Marshall would be an addition. Eddie Royal is a quality option, the perfect possession guy in Brandon Stokley, and guys like Gaffney and Jackson ready to be heard. Don't forget a healthier Scheffler.

[av7]

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

The beginning of the end of Brandon Marshall's brief tenure in Denver appears to be underway. The Broncos star receiver posted a message on his personal Web site Tuesday, indicating he has met with team owner Pat Bowlen and it was mutually concluded it was best for the two sides to part ways.

The post came on the heels of a report earlier in the day where his agent, Kennard McGuire, confirmed that a trade had been requested. Marshall did not specifically mention a trade request, but clearly refers to leaving the organization.

"Life is filled with change, and where I am in my life now change is probably best," the post on bmarshall15.com read. "It's hard leaving an organization ran by one of the best owners in all of sports, and someone who's been there for me through my ups and downs. The hardest thing was hearing Mr. B wish me luck in the future, but we both came to the conclusion that this is probably the best thing for me to grow on and off the field.

"I thank the Denver fans who embraced my emotion and play on the field and showing me love every time I step outside my door."

The Broncos had no comment on Marshall's post.

Earlier Tuesday, McGuire told FOX31 sports in Denver the Broncos would try to accomodate Marshall's request.

"Yes there was a meeting between Brandon, and Mr. [Pat] Bowlen. There was a request for a trade. Mr. Bowlen has said that ownership will do everything in it's power to accommodate his wishes," McGuire said.

McGuire has not returned messages from The Associated Press.

It was first reported by Adam Schefter on the Broncos' flagship radio network, KOA in Denver, that Marshall requested a trade during a meeting Friday with Bowlen.

Marshall, who skipped Denver's mandatory minicamp last weekend, walked out of the meeting with several boxes of belongings and didn't speak with reporters as he drove out of the team's parking lot.

If Marshall gets a ticket out of town, that will make two Pro Bowlers who won't be back in 2009. Cutler forced a trade to Chicago after a falling out with new coach Josh McDaniels.

The Broncos' other Pro Bowler, center Casey Wiegmann, also has asked for a better contract but he participated in last weekend's minicamp and other offseason work.

Marshall, who was supposed to attend the minicamp even though he's rehabbing from March 31 hip surgery, faces tens of thousands of dollars in fines for going AWOL. He also skipped three weeks of voluntary workouts while rehabbing under the care of his personal doctors back home in Orlando, Fla.

Marshall's issue with the team is primarily about money, but he also has cited a lack of trust in Denver's medical staff for not wanting to rehab at team headquarters following what he has called a misdiagnosis of his hip injury last year.
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In a recent posting on his Web site, Marshall wrote: "It's kind of funny now but some of my coaches thought I was getting 'big-headed' and just didn't want to practice but I needed some fine tuning.

"What made last year so weird was that I got two MRIs, one in camp and the second around week six and was told nothing was wrong but come to find out THERE WAS A BIT OF A PROBLEM after all," Marshall added. "LOL. I guess that's part of the business. So after all that, I'm now even more excited about playing this season at 100%. This year I can help my team more and hopefully we can get to the playoffs."

Marshall made $1.5 million in each of his first three seasons after being drafted in the fourth round in 2006. Making the Pro Bowl last year escalated his 2009 pay to $2.2 million.

His desire for a contract befitting his back-to-back 100-catch seasons and stellar play is hampered by all the health and legal issues surrounding the Broncos' enigmatic star.

Will he return from hip surgery the same player who averaged 103 receptions, 1,295 yards and seven touchdowns each of the last two seasons?

And will he even be available for a full season?

Although the league decided Marshall won't face a suspension over his arrest in Atlanta this spring for fighting with his new fiancee, Marshall faces a trial later this summer on two misdemeanor battery charges stemming from an altercation with his former girlfriend.

The outcome of that case could subject Marshall to punishment from the NFL even though it was part of what triggered his summons to commissioner Roger Goodell's office last summer, when Marshall was suspended for the season opener and fined two paychecks after a series of police-related incidents involving his former girlfriend.

Marshall caught 104 passes for 1,265 yards and six touchdowns last season. But he dropped 18 on-target passes, something he blamed on the nerve damage in his right arm, which he said he put through a television set while horsing around with his brother a year ago in the offseason.

The Broncos are off until training camp in late July. If Marshall is still on the team, he could become their first camp holdout since Ashlie Lelie in 2006. Lelie forced a trade to Atlanta, which gave Marshall his chance to begin making his mark in Denver.

The Broncos also signed free-agent receiver Brandon Lloyd on Monday.

Lloyd is a seventh-year pro with 15 career touchdown catches who played for Chicago last season. He's also played for Washington and San Francisco.

Covers just about all of it.