Must Watch Video—Player Differentiation

[VinceJulien14]

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this hurts to watch. like I already knew that there was no differential between the players, but to have it so bluntly laid out in front me..


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[shogunofharlem3]

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Devils advocate here. Can you do that same test, not all, but partial, with attribute effect at 6 (or whatever it is, 3 they play at attribute, 6 attributes are exaggerated, 0 attributes are equal).

Great video. I agree with everything here but now lets see if those sliders make a difference as they say they do.

[bigwill33]

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Devils advocate here. Can you do that same test, not all, but partial, with attribute effect at 6 (or whatever it is, 3 they play at attribute, 6 attributes are exaggerated, 0 attributes are equal).

Great video. I agree with everything here but now lets see if those sliders make a difference as they say they do.

Would be interesting to see, but for the purposes of this video it was to show that HUT is sham, pretty much. As is online in general, in terms of how every player is the same with their abilities.

All that hyping that EA does about player packs and spending money and it all boils down to this. And this mode will be the driving force and future of sports video games, awesome.

[bwiggy33]

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Devils advocate here. Can you do that same test, not all, but partial, with attribute effect at 6 (or whatever it is, 3 they play at attribute, 6 attributes are exaggerated, 0 attributes are equal).

Great video. I agree with everything here but now lets see if those sliders make a difference as they say they do.

This would be very interesting.

Like others have already said, it's sad that we didn't think last gen was good enough at separating player differences. Little did we know next gen was way worse and to really top it all off it's unfixable with the fact you can't edit players. Just unbelievable really. I'd really like to know what goes on at the Vancouver office with this game. Are these developers helping on several games, or are they actually solely focused on NHL? How many hours do they work? How many people work on this game? Etc. It would just be nice to know why this game is never improved. For me it would at least put some closure to the game, and I could just accept the facts. It's just a crappy feeling having so many unanswered questions and knowing they won't ever be answered.

[AdamJones113]

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Follow-up video!

[bigwill33]

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Wow. He's right, in pretty much every point that he makes. And the people arguing with him are seemingly just trying to justify their spent money.

To take his video even one step further; look at the goaltenders in those modes he is using. They are different goalies, yet move exactly the same! The move the same on the one-on-one practice mode, and they move the same in the versus mode when the puck carrier is coming out of the corner.

Also, and I have mentioned this a few times before, look at how awful the versus gameplay is when you set down the controller. Nobody on the opposing team will come and attack the puck carrier if you are in certain spots. And even your own teammate is clueless as to where to go without the puck. In both examples the defense is stuck skating into the corner boards as the puck carrier breaks-out from behind his own goal line.

I don't mean to come off as abrasive after everything we have been though, or divide this site anymore than we already are, but I keep coming back to one question. How can anyone defend this stuff as being "hockey"?

I truly wish that I had the time to do a YouTube channel and record my online games and then break them down with analysis and commentary to point out all of the glaring flaws and stupidity that occurs in the average game. I took the time to make a 10+ page thread detailing everything that I see, but it just doesn't do enough to really drive it home like a well-made video does, apparently.

I get a text nearly everyday from a buddy or two that I used to play club with saying how they wished that there was a hockey game out. Or how they would even consider buying this crappy game if we could have all played together somehow. They watch the playoff games and feel a void missing in their lives because they can't go and play NHL like they had for the last 5+ years.

I'm fairly certain a lot of the features we complained about will find their way back in for '16, but I am also fairly certain that a lot of these legacy issues will still be as prevalent as ever. And it was those issues that really made the past 3-4 editions of the NHL game just awful in our minds. At the end of the day it is just depressing to know that this is what we are stuck with. And what really hurt even worse... the fact that some of us thought that we might be given the opportunity to get inside of those walls in Vancouver and make a difference for the better, for all of us. But we were left outside in the cold, watching helplessly as those spots were stolen away from us. And now we are stuck begging for scraps of information and knowledge with absolutely no way of getting our messages back to anyone that makes a difference.

[AdamJones113]

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Wow. He's right, in pretty much every point that he makes. And the people arguing with him are seemingly just trying to justify their spent money.

To take his video even one step further; look at the goaltenders in those modes he is using. They are different goalies, yet move exactly the same! The move the same on the one-on-one practice mode, and they move the same in the versus mode when the puck carrier is coming out of the corner.

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Yup. Another area the game is not realistic.

[Simple Mathematics]

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This would be very interesting.

Like others have already said, it's sad that we didn't think last gen was good enough at separating player differences. Little did we know next gen was way worse and to really top it all off it's unfixable with the fact you can't edit players. Just unbelievable really. I'd really like to know what goes on at the Vancouver office with this game. Are these developers helping on several games, or are they actually solely focused on NHL? How many hours do they work? How many people work on this game? Etc. It would just be nice to know why this game is never improved. For me it would at least put some closure to the game, and I could just accept the facts. It's just a crappy feeling having so many unanswered questions and knowing they won't ever be answered.

Take a look at their Twitter page. Literally every single post is about HUT cards. That is where all of their working hours go - HUT cards. I can't imagine how good the game would be if they spent all that time that they spend on HUT on fixing the gameplay/BaGM/EASHL.

[Money99]

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That video was pretty disheartening.
The good news is that tye old gen game had better separation. Which means the devs must have identified this issue at some point in previous gen versions.
But even then, the stickhandling, skating and agility were far too close when comparing the worlds best player and the NHL's worst.
John Scott's stickhandling should be in slow motion. Or at the very least, if you tries to deke super quick, he should lose the puck almost immediately.
As it stands now, there's no downside to carrying the puck, or attempting fancy moves with any player on the ice.
1st line, 4th line...it really doesn't matter. Go ahead and carry it into the zone and try to deke everyone out.

What's depressing is that even with video evidence I doubt EA does anything about it.
I'd really like to hear from a dev as to why they are adamant on keeping every player nearly the same.
My guess is that all the frat boys, or casual fans cry like babies anytime they can't pull of a toe-drag, spinnerama, top-shelf snipe with any and all players on the roster.
But even if that were the reason, "hardcore" should initiate massive changes to the gameplay so that there is a HUGE difference not only between player OV's but player types as well.
You would never consider sniping with Hemsky on a 2-on-1, just like you shouldn't do anything but chip and chase with a dummy like John Scott.

[centauris]

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I can't believe he even needed to do a follow-up video.

people are actually defending this terrible game?

[adayinthelife]

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I can't believe he even needed to do a follow-up video.

people are actually defending this terrible game?

Honestly, this is worrying in itself. The fact that there are seemingly enough people out there who are totally cool with all of this essentially justifies EA's laziness with the series from EA's standpoint.

[canucksss]

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they basically stole money.

NOT ONLY THAT BUT THEY LIED.

I can't believe he even needed to do a follow-up video.

people are actually defending this terrible game?

Those complaining are either ENGLISH illiterate and cant understand the first video or just hard-core EA supporters.


Great that this video finally coming to surface. Please do not give more excuses to EA dev. team for either having no budget or lack of time. Instead of adding the needed update for broadcasts and faces of people in the arena, they could have used their "limited" resources to good use by addressing the player differentiation.

Guys, do ourselves a favor, remember this video come August, September and October when we start hearing "news" and promises of EA marketing.

[Money99]

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The fact that so many people are defending the lack of player separation basically answers my question as to why devs would program the game to be this way.

I hate saying it, but the hardcore hockey gamer is in a very small minority group.
EA knows where their bread-and-butter come from; from people with very little hockey knowledge, a LOT of free time on their hands, and disposable income that allows them to purchase HUT cards and EASHL boosts.

Who wants to play with a lumbering idiot like John Scott? "I can't believe he couldn't pull off that Datsyuk-ian deke!!! This game is garbage!"

I would really love to know the percentage of EA-NHL gamers that could name more than 1 player on each NHL team. Heck, I bet most couldn't name 2 NHL players beyond Crosby and Ovechkin.
I'm sure we'd get a few "Gretzky's" and "Gordie Howe's" in there.

[phillyfan23]

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the video is very alarming and shows how this area needs work ESPECIALLY in the stickhandling portion of the game.

I'm currently playing a season with the ottawa senators and let me share with you my thoughts :

I follow the schedule but I play my games in play now and then tab the stats after every game, then sim my games in a franchise i created to get the season results. It's a hassle plus no injuries, but it's better then cheap AI that has been associated with nhl hockey franchise mode.

Back to the video, I absolutely agree that the stickhandling is BRUTAL and that there is very little separation between a claude giroux and rinaldo. but for speed and agility, I do feel there is quite a difference and you can see it if you play in the lower gamespeeds which I believe represents true nhl speed.

I use 0 game speed and 0 acceleration so skating with Erik Karlsson does feel quite a bit different than skating with Erik Gryba. something to try in a test.

to get separation is not only a matter of speed but also the initial player explosiveness, and on default speed/acc sliders, everyone seems to be a bit too fast.

After 51 games playing with the senators

my leading scorers are :

1) Bobby Ryan 41 pts (17 goals, 24 assists) rated 89 overall and highest on team
2) Mike Hoffmann 32 pts ( 17 goals, 15 assists)
3) Mike Zibenajad 31 pts ( 12 goals, 19 assists)
4) Erik Karlsson 31 points ( 10 goals, 21 assists)
5) Mark Stone 28 points ( 17 goals, 11 assists)

my lowest point getters are all d-men :

1) borowiecky 5 assists
2) methot 1 goal, 6 assists
3) gyrba 9 assists.

The season that I play reflects that there is a decent enough skill gap which translates into on ice performance. Ryan averages about 18-20 mins a game while my 4th liner Lazar averages around 9-11 mins a game.

While I do agree with the video, I believe scaling down the sliders will have an effect on player separation. As it currently stands, I can tell when Ryan is shooting as compared to a lazar....in accuracy and in shot speed. I can also tell that I am passing with Zibanejad instead of Pageau.

My offensive game sliders are all pretty low (i play 15 minute periods)....passing is nearly 0, shooting sliders are low in accuracy, same with speed and acceleration as mentiuoned above.

Hopefully that can help with people who play offline exclusive like me. I may be wrong and I might be just seeing things, but I do feel it is quite abit easier to rush the puck up the ice with Erik Karlsson than a Gryba.

[MizzouRah]

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I guess I'll start up an old gen NHL 15 franchise tonight.