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  • DJ NEO
    Banned
    • Aug 2010
    • 827

    #16
    Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

    It always amazes me how many people are so happy to fall into the same trap again, again... and again... and... 😀

    That's humanity in a nutshell Lol

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    • PhillsPhan26
      Rookie
      • Jun 2005
      • 459

      #17
      Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

      Originally posted by DJ NEO
      It always amazes me how many people are so happy to fall into the same trap again, again... and again... and... 😀

      That's humanity in a nutshell Lol

      Not falling for nothing. If my requests are not meet then I won't buy this years game either. But I'll tell you this, if they give me the ability to create my own stuff. I will spend hours upon hours on that alone.
      "I wanna walk down the street and people say," "There goes Roy Hobbs, the best to ever play the game."

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      • DJ NEO
        Banned
        • Aug 2010
        • 827

        #18
        Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

        Originally posted by PhillsPhan26
        Not falling for nothing. If my requests are not meet then I won't buy this years game either. But I'll tell you this, if they give me the ability to create my own stuff. I will spend hours upon hours on that alone.
        Yeah would be great.

        The creation tool app was "on the table" at the time when I was in the studio, as well as authentic historic (online) seasons and many other truly awesome other stuff that I was very excited about (that time)

        So the reason why we don't get these great things is not that they don't know what we want or how to make people like you or me happy, but because t.h.e.y. d.o.n.t. c.a.r.e. (about us)

        They don't need another "feedback channel" Lol
        To believe that is pretty ridiculous, if you ask me... especially after all these years.

        It is obviously pure PR thing (at this point)

        They do actually think they got us hockey people anyway.

        They intentionally chose to put resources on things like 3s, 1s etc. and tried to make the non hockey people buy their product.
        Last edited by DJ NEO; 02-28-2020, 01:32 PM.

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        • nikethebike
          MVP
          • Aug 2007
          • 1183

          #19
          Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

          Originally posted by DJ NEO
          Yeah would be great.

          The creation tool app was "on the table" at the time when I was in the studio, as well as authentic historic (online) seasons and many other truly awesome other stuff that I was very excited about (that time)

          So the reason why we don't get these great things is not that they don't know what we want or how to make people like you or me happy, but because t.h.e.y. d.o.n.t. c.a.r.e. (about us)

          They don't need another "feedback channel" Lol
          To believe that is pretty ridiculous, if you ask me... especially after all these years.

          It is obviously pure PR thing (at this point)

          They do actually think they got us hockey people anyway.

          They intentionally chose to put resources on things like 3s, 1s etc. and tried to make the non hockey people buy their product.
          And that's because it's generally and probably true. A hockey fan has no other option so if you want to buy a hockey game, you buy what they release. In the long run they will alienate some core fans though as we are experiencing...



          The next problem is the amount of resources needed to produce a modern game and the size of the pool of potential buyers. Remember like every business it's all about making money. Sadly... The number of hockey fans in the world is also low compared to sports like football/soccer so it sounds reasonable that they try to expand that pool by putting out something that they think might attract people outside of the pool in order to make money. And that tend to be arcade action packed stuff... Generally...


          That and micro transactions does kind of make sense from a business perspective.


          Until there are options that the fanbase will actually pursuit so that it is noticed in sales, they will keep doing it this way, I guess. They will throw in a bone or two each year - I'm pretty sure they still don't want to disappoint the core fans too much - but never concentrate only on the real hockey fans as like you said, they have them already.


          This along with the modification possibilities and playing on PC is why I fully support your 2KHS work DJNEO. It's the best alternative.


          What I do still not understand though, is why they still leave out the PC market. There are hockey fans that would buy the game as is if it was on PC and steam. Unless it's still the piracy card...
          Last edited by nikethebike; 02-28-2020, 06:42 PM.
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          • Travolterjohn
            MVP
            • Dec 2018
            • 3171

            #20
            Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

            Originally posted by nikethebike
            And that's because it's generally and probably true. A hockey fan has no other option so if you want to buy a hockey game, you buy what they release. In the long run they will alienate some core fans though as we are experiencing...



            The next problem is the amount of resources needed to produce a modern game and the size of the pool of potential buyers. Remember like every business it's all about making money. Sadly... The number of hockey fans in the world is also low compared to sports like football/soccer so it sounds reasonable that they try to expand that pool by putting out something that they think might attract people outside of the pool in order to make money. And that tend to be arcade action packed stuff... Generally...


            That and micro transactions does kind of make sense from a business perspective.


            Until there are options that the fanbase will actually pursuit so that it is noticed in sales, they will keep doing it this way, I guess. They will throw in a bone or two each year - I'm pretty sure they still don't want to disappoint the core fans too much - but never concentrate only on the real hockey fans as like you said, they have them already.


            This along with the modification possibilities and playing on PC is why I fully support your 2KHS work DJNEO. It's the best alternative.


            What I do still not understand though, is why they still leave out the PC market. There are hockey fans that would buy the game as is if it was on PC and steam. Unless it's still the piracy card...
            That’s not exactly true ..... stay with NHL 20, it’s not necessary to buy NHL 21. Lesser sales the only way to give them pressure.

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            • nikethebike
              MVP
              • Aug 2007
              • 1183

              #21
              Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

              Originally posted by Travolterjohn
              That’s not exactly true ..... stay with NHL 20, it’s not necessary to buy NHL 21. Lesser sales the only way to give them pressure.
              Well yeah. If you already have NHL20. You're right.


              But for me personally the last time I bought an EA game it was a used version of EA Hockey for Sega Mega Drive. Yeah the original game.


              The last bought "modern title" was like 14 or 15 or something.




              I don't have a current gen console and don't think it's worth to get one just for what EA ships out. All other games I want are available on PC.


              For me these are the things I want most out of a hockey game:


              1. Realistic gameplay.
              2. Good season mode.
              3. Modding/editing capabilities of everything in the game, no locked players, looks, anything, you should be able to change anything and import textures etc...
              4. Gameplay, AI, Logic, etc sliders for tweaking.
              5. PC release.
              Last edited by nikethebike; 02-29-2020, 12:29 PM.
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              • DJ NEO
                Banned
                • Aug 2010
                • 827

                #22
                Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                Originally posted by nikethebike
                And that's because it's generally and probably true. A hockey fan has no other option so if you want to buy a hockey game, you buy what they release. In the long run they will alienate some core fans though as we are experiencing...



                The next problem is the amount of resources needed to produce a modern game and the size of the pool of potential buyers. Remember like every business it's all about making money. Sadly... The number of hockey fans in the world is also low compared to sports like football/soccer so it sounds reasonable that they try to expand that pool by putting out something that they think might attract people outside of the pool in order to make money. And that tend to be arcade action packed stuff... Generally...


                That and micro transactions does kind of make sense from a business perspective.


                Until there are options that the fanbase will actually pursuit so that it is noticed in sales, they will keep doing it this way, I guess. They will throw in a bone or two each year - I'm pretty sure they still don't want to disappoint the core fans too much - but never concentrate only on the real hockey fans as like you said, they have them already.


                This along with the modification possibilities and playing on PC is why I fully support your 2KHS work DJNEO. It's the best alternative.


                What I do still not understand though, is why they still leave out the PC market. There are hockey fans that would buy the game as is if it was on PC and steam. Unless it's still the piracy card...
                Well, I would be surprised if EA don't release the "nextgen" version of NHL on PCs, which is NHL 21?

                But I'm still surprised that a man that knows so little about hockey can be in charge of it all so... who knows how that all ends.

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                • CDN_MTN_BEAR
                  Rookie
                  • Nov 2019
                  • 47

                  #23
                  Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                  Human goaltending, especially online, and more control of the position. During NHL '19, I had more (online) fun and it was enjoyable to play the position. This year, not only has control been taken away, it's been the most frustrating and anger-filled position to play. Automation is killing this game, and the fun factor.
                  LETS GO BRUINS, LETS GO! WOOOO!

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                  • DJ NEO
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 827

                    #24
                    Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                    One note about the resources thing and "how much all these things costs these days".

                    This will probably surprise a lot of casual people (customers), but here is the truth... it's actually opposite, in most cases. It CAN all cost much less, with good management.

                    For 90% of the things/features that few years ago you needed let's say 20- 100 people, these days and with current technology can be done by 2-5 people, in many cases just by 1 man in MUCH shorter time (that's important)

                    It's not some hyperbole. Not at all. Ask any independent creative people and they tell you the truth.

                    Me for example, I work in real life as a composer/ music producer/ sound+ mastering engineer.
                    So for example... a quality film score/music not so long time ego you needed full orchestra (might be 100+ people)

                    Well today I can do all the orchestration, recording, mixing, engineering etc. alone and I can guarantee you (from my everyday experience) 99% of people would not hear any difference. Actually many recordings these days have a better sonic qualities now, than in past.

                    I could go on and on with the real life examples, but I think you get the idea and I will end this thought by saying this.

                    It always makes me laugh a bit when EA tries to sell you something like that for example: "now a player that receive a pass or shoot won't loose any speed" I mean wow Lol

                    So not only it's totally unrealistic and I would hardly call it as an improvement (from a sim view), but it literally costs zero effort or money.

                    Even I can do that in 2KHS with 2 mouse clicks FROM OUTSIDE, if I'm that... and they call it "feature" Lol

                    So I think we should just all start using our brains again and be much more careful to what we believe.

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                    • The EVHL
                      Pro
                      • Nov 2014
                      • 802

                      #25
                      Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                      Originally posted by DJ NEO
                      One note about the resources thing and "how much all these things costs these days".

                      This will probably surprise a lot of casual people (customers), but here is the truth... it's actually opposite, in most cases. It CAN all cost much less, with good management.

                      For 90% of the things/features that few years ago you needed let's say 20- 100 people, these days and with current technology can be done by 2-5 people, in many cases just by 1 man in MUCH shorter time (that's important)

                      It's not some hyperbole. Not at all. Ask any independent creative people and they tell you the truth.

                      Me for example, I work in real life as a composer/ music producer/ sound+ mastering engineer.
                      So for example... a quality film score/music not so long time ego you needed full orchestra (might be 100+ people)

                      Well today I can do all the orchestration, recording, mixing, engineering etc. alone and I can guarantee you (from my everyday experience) 99% of people would not hear any difference. Actually many recordings these days have a better sonic qualities now, than in past.

                      I could go on and on with the real life examples, but I think you get the idea and I will end this thought by saying this.

                      It always makes me laugh a bit when EA tries to sell you something like that for example: "now a player that receive a pass or shoot won't loose any speed" I mean wow Lol

                      So not only it's totally unrealistic and I would hardly call it as an improvement (from a sim view), but it literally costs zero effort or money.

                      Even I can do that in 2KHS with 2 mouse clicks FROM OUTSIDE, if I'm that... and they call it "feature" Lol

                      So I think we should just all start using our brains again and be much more careful to what we believe.
                      You leaving EA's GC program solidified my suspicion that realistic gameplay is not even close to on their radar. A GC'er not knowing about OS even further solidifies that position. Looks like I'll easily be able to skip the next few NHL games as I'm convinced the ongoing AI issues that have existed this entire generation will continue to be ignored. We will also continue to have our offline experiences plagued by constant patches that change under-the-hood settings in-order to cater to online players, without for a second considering the impact those changes will have on offline play/sliders.

                      The EA forums continue to be filled with nothing short of hot air, empty promises, and not even an ounce of ownership by EA and their members. "we're looking into it",
                      "send us more videos",
                      "roster sharing is on our radar",
                      "custom online sliders is in our plans",
                      "we're always wanting to make the AI better",
                      "(insert cherry-picked video of a superstar doing superstar things to justify why we allow EASHL grinders to skate through 4 guys and 12 pokes)",
                      "there's a lot of confirmation bias",
                      "the game is in a good state",
                      "this thing that happens once a season could in-theory happen 6 times a game so that's why it happens six times a game",
                      "The AI are constantly reading and reacting, but we can't allow goalies to not give up the same shot 6 times a game",
                      "it's the user's duty to stop that same shot, it's not on us to just program a better game",
                      "we can't really do anything in regards to changing the meta, you're just going to have to deal with stopping the same 2 shots over and over again. What else can we do?",
                      "It's the user's duty to mitigate our severe backside AI issues by sprinting at the puck carrier in hopes that the mess up before your AI messes up",
                      "Real goalies give up soft goals too, so naturally you're going to see unscreened, untipped wrist shots from the corner of the zone going in time to time, despite the fact that other hockey games have managed to have their goalies never let that go in",
                      "I don't see (insert problem the whole community knows exists and sees about once a game here) a lot, so I don't really have a problem with it",
                      "(insert GM Connected mode with the world's worst servers, making the mode almost unplayable, yet still manage to have a huge following for it that makes it one of the most requested modes year-in and year-out) When looking at the stats, people didn't use the mode much so we still haven't put it back in"
                      "I'm not able to reproduce (insert AI problem that can be reproduced in 5 seconds here) so we can't narrow it down to fix it",
                      "There's a lot of things on our wants list, we can't get to all of them"
                      "There will be more guest commentators and signature shots added through the year",
                      "You can win the Stanley Cup with legends in NHL 19 (still haven't apologized for that)"

                      I mean, I just read an EA forum mod suggest that a national team tournament mode could be added to NHL 20...lol are you kidding me? Game mode has been missing this whole generation outside of the official WCH game mode in 16, yet this guy is going to give members a sense of hope with a comment like that?

                      Then as a company, they continue to push their world championships in HUT, backed by their little streamer bros who pretend that people who "grind" the game can somehow compete with their HUT teams. The "grind" that requires what, 4-5+ hours a day on the game just to be close to to teams who have money to spend on the mode can get? Yeah, what a balanced playing field.

                      This company is a mess. I'll gladly stay away from all of their games and hope legislation can kill UT. Neo leaving the GC program (was it not even a year in?) was a huge red flag, and there's just too much there now to warrant supporting them in any fashion.
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                      • panniniclaus
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2017
                        • 36

                        #26
                        Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                        Given that there is no rights needed to add countries to the game, I cannot understand why Slovenia and Hungary are not added. Both countries have been part of the Div 1 setup and it would take very little effort to add them in.

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                        • DJ NEO
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 827

                          #27
                          Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                          So I was there actually more than 2 years, I think. Sometime around when the new sliders were added, which was 16-17? Something like that.

                          I had a huge hopes for the series after the numerous conversations with Ben Ross.

                          But it's all gone.

                          They have to EARN the respect back from the community, not demand it and ban people. That's not how it works.

                          But to be honest I was aware that 3s were coming and which other (hockey) features were cutted because of it, but I definitely didn't expected it this bad.

                          I hoped they might stop with this nonsense after 3s, but at this moment Im pretty sure they had to split their focus and budget 1:1 between hockey and chell, if not worse.

                          It's sad, but hey, it's only a game
                          Last edited by DJ NEO; 03-31-2020, 11:20 AM.

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                          • The EVHL
                            Pro
                            • Nov 2014
                            • 802

                            #28
                            Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                            Originally posted by DJ NEO
                            So I was there actually more than 2 years, I think. Sometime around when the new sliders were added, which was 16-17? Something like that.

                            I had a huge hopes for the series after the numerous conversations with Ben Ross.

                            But it's all gone.

                            They have to EARN the respect back from the community, not demand it and ban people. That's not how it works.

                            But to be honest I was aware that 3s were coming and which other (hockey) features were cutted because of it, but I definitely didn't expected it this bad.

                            I hoped they might stop with this nonsense after 3s, but at this moment Im pretty sure they had to split their focus and budget 1:1 between hockey and chell, if not worse.

                            It's sad, but hey, it's only a game
                            The patch today is ray of hope! I'll have to actually test it out tonight, but I'm glad they at least tried making some desperately needed AI improvements! I think 20 will be in a pretty playable state for a few years if this patch is actually effective at making AI reads better on odd-man rushes.
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                            • AllIn989
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2019
                              • 222

                              #29
                              Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                              Another thing on Expansion mode it would be great if you could use other leagues logos like in the shl Malmo Redhawkes has a pretty nice logo that would look good on an expansion team you can use them in HUT why not franchise mode..

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                              • Elite Virtual Hockey
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2020
                                • 89

                                #30
                                Re: Official NHL 20 Feedback + Requests Form

                                Originally posted by AllIn989
                                Another thing on Expansion mode it would be great if you could use other leagues logos like in the shl Malmo Redhawkes has a pretty nice logo that would look good on an expansion team you can use them in HUT why not franchise mode..
                                Wish they'd color zone all logos in the game. If not all, at least give us the NA leagues so we have access to more logos!

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