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  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #496
    Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

    Originally posted by ImTellinTim
    The league has been "gritty" for years. It was "gritty" when the Canucks entered their current window and when they got to a SCF game 7.
    Let me be more clear then, the Western Conference was a lot more of a finesse conference during that time with the exception of the Ducks and maybe a couple other teams once in a while. The Western Conference has gotten a lot more grittier in the last couple years but i'll concede your point to avoid an argument.

    Originally posted by bad_philanthropy

    I do feel for Gillis a bit. He inherited the Luongo contract
    I dont' feel bad for Gillis. He didn't inherit the contract as he was the one that negotiated it with Lou's agent.
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    • bad_philanthropy
      MVP
      • Jul 2005
      • 12167

      #497
      Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

      Originally posted by SPTO
      Let me be more clear then, the Western Conference was a lot more of a finesse conference during that time with the exception of the Ducks and maybe a couple other teams once in a while. The Western Conference has gotten a lot more grittier in the last couple years but i'll concede your point to avoid an argument.



      I dont' feel bad for Gillis. He didn't inherit the contract as he was the one that negotiated it with Lou's agent.
      You're right! I thought it was Nonis who negotiated the contract.

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      • SharksG
        Rookie
        • Jul 2009
        • 116

        #498
        Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

        I wouldn't say Luongo's value is zero... with his contract it's close to zero though. Shame too, he's a solid goalie.

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        • ImTellinTim
          YNWA
          • Sep 2006
          • 33028

          #499
          Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

          Originally posted by SPTO
          Let me be more clear then, the Western Conference was a lot more of a finesse conference during that time with the exception of the Ducks and maybe a couple other teams once in a while. The Western Conference has gotten a lot more grittier in the last couple years but i'll concede your point to avoid an argument.
          Eh, I don't know about that. I guess my point is that most teams would kill for a run of success that they've had. And to poo-poo the Canucks for being soft at this point is a bit off base. This series is a horrible matchup for them, and would be for all teams in the West not named the Blackhawks. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Sharks representing the Conference in the Finals.

          All that being said, watching the Canucks fail spectacularly always warms my heart. Sorry DrJones, but it's true.

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          • BlueNGold
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 21817

            #500
            Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

            If there's one team I wouldn't rule out blowing a 3-0 series lead, it's San Jose.
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            • ImTellinTim
              YNWA
              • Sep 2006
              • 33028

              #501
              Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

              Originally posted by BlueNGold
              If there's one team I wouldn't rule out blowing a 3-0 series lead, it's San Jose.
              Not against this team. Vancouver has had 6 cracks and have zero wins. I'll give them a tie for the shootout loss because **** shootouts, so they're 0-5-1. They can't even win a game they're leading at home with less than a minute left. Good luck ripping off four in a row.

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              • bad_philanthropy
                MVP
                • Jul 2005
                • 12167

                #502
                Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                AV sure sounded like a dead man walking in his presser.

                Another interesting day of playoff hockey, but MTL/OTT is really the only must watch of the first round going forward.

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                • DrJones
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 9109

                  #503
                  Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                  Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                  I guess my point is that most teams would kill for a run of success that they've had. And to poo-poo the Canucks for being soft at this point is a bit off base.
                  Yep. Being obsessed with goaltending and toughness is what got the Canucks into trouble in the first place. Vancouver hasn't drafted well enough, and most of their trades (Ballard, Booth, Kassian, Roy) haven't panned out. Not enough depth at F or D.

                  Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                  This series is a horrible matchup for them, and would be for all teams in the West not named the Blackhawks. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Sharks representing the Conference in the Finals.
                  Maybe. Would this particular Canucks team fare much better against LA, St. Louis, or Anaheim? I doubt it.

                  Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                  All that being said, watching the Canucks fail spectacularly always warms my heart. Sorry DrJones, but it's true.
                  No offence taken. I respect honest hatred.
                  Originally posted by Thrash13
                  Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                  Originally posted by slickdtc
                  DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                  Originally posted by Kipnis22
                  yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                  • rdnk
                    All Star
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 5730

                    #504
                    Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                    Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
                    Schneider just failed the Canucks out of the playoffs. Ugh, I was hoping they could bounce back. I cannot believe how cursed they are.
                    They're not cursed they just can't score goals. Their offense was average in the regular season and they're playing an elite defensive team. Gillis shipped out scoring depth over the years in an effort to get tougher, grittier, meaner ect. He misdiagnosed the problem; they didn't lack physical toughness, they lacked mental toughness and this was never addressed. Because of this, now their group of forwards is the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows and a whole whack of 3rd liners; they aren't this "skilled team" that a few people here apparently think they are.

                    Unless Gillis does something wild and crazy (trading the Sedins?) he'll have to get creative to improve the team enough where it will be a legit contender again. Vancouver could get a new coach, but that's a mixed bag in itself and no I don't think Ruff is the answer.


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                    • DrJones
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 9109

                      #505
                      Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                      Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
                      Another interesting day of playoff hockey, but MTL/OTT is really the only must watch of the first round going forward.
                      Sure is. For the youngsters in the forums, that's what Montreal/Quebec games used to look like. I will be so happy when the reborn Nordiques are tossed into the Montreal/Toronto/Ottawa cauldron of hate.
                      Originally posted by Thrash13
                      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                      Originally posted by slickdtc
                      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                      Originally posted by Kipnis22
                      yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                      • ImTellinTim
                        YNWA
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 33028

                        #506
                        Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                        Originally posted by DrJones
                        Maybe. Would this particular Canucks team fare much better against LA, St. Louis, or Anaheim? I doubt it.

                        No offence taken. I respect honest hatred.
                        1. Probably not, those are all teams I think are better than the Canucks. Boy, do I ever wish the Wild would have beat either Calgary or Edmonton at the end to get a series against Vancouver. Would have been fun. But my point still stands about San Jose. Really good team right now.

                        2. Yeah, I'm still bitter about Ohlund breaking Koivu's leg But I was at this game, so that was fun for me:

                        <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/i32L47Yh80E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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                        • bad_philanthropy
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 12167

                          #507
                          Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                          Originally posted by DrJones
                          Sure is. For the youngsters in the forums, that's what Montreal/Quebec games used to look like. I will be so happy when the reborn Nordiques are tossed into the Montreal/Toronto/Ottawa cauldron of hate.
                          Oh man, the backdrop of language politics and symbolic institutions between Ottawa and QC would be fascinating fuel to a playoff hockey fire. Hurry up already Florida.

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                          • DrJones
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 9109

                            #508
                            Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                            Originally posted by rdnk
                            They're not cursed they just can't score goals. Their offense was average in the regular season and they're playing an elite defensive team. Gillis shipped out scoring depth over the years in an effort to get tougher, grittier, meaner ect. He misdiagnosed the problem; they didn't lack physical toughness, they lacked mental toughness and this was never addressed. Because of this, now their group of forwards is the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows and a whole whack of 3rd liners; they aren't this "skilled team" that a few people here apparently think they are.

                            Unless Gillis does something wild and crazy (trading the Sedins?) he'll have to get creative to improve the team enough where it will be a legit contender again. Vancouver could get a new coach, but that's a mixed bag in itself and no I don't think Ruff is the answer.
                            As I said earlier, I'd endorse trading the Sedins if this was the pre-cap era, because there'd always be a team dopey enough to trade multiple picks and prospects. Now I wonder if the correct approach is to see if there's a coach out there who could try to maximize their effectiveness, a la Adam Oates with Ovi.

                            I also wonder what the Sedins would be like if they had even a semi-elite player on their line. Bless Alex Burrows' pitch-black heart, but he's basically a borderline 2nd liner/excellent 3rd liner who the twins turned into a consistent 30-goal scorer. Woulda been nice to see the twins play with someone who was already good, although it's probably not happening now.
                            Originally posted by Thrash13
                            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                            Originally posted by slickdtc
                            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                            Originally posted by Kipnis22
                            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                            • ImTellinTim
                              YNWA
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 33028

                              #509
                              Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                              Originally posted by DrJones
                              I also wonder what the Sedins would be like if they had even a semi-elite player on their line. Bless Alex Burrows' pitch-black heart, but he's basically a borderline 2nd liner/excellent 3rd liner who the twins turned into a consistent 30-goal scorer. Woulda been nice to see the twins play with someone who was already good, although it's probably not happening now.
                              And just think of the guys that would easily fill that role that have been available at the deadline just this year. Not to mention years before. And it's not like you've had to break the bank for some of these players.

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                              • DrJones
                                All Star
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 9109

                                #510
                                Re: The Official 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                                Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                                2. Yeah, I'm still bitter about Ohlund breaking Koivu's leg But I was at this game, so that was fun for me:

                                <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/i32L47Yh80E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                                Brad Isbister sighting!

                                The funny thing is, all of the current anti-Canuck memes (dirty, diving, arrogant, whiners, chokers, complaining coach, goalie prone to meltdowns, Swedish captain who disappears in playoffs, etc.) applied even moreso to the Vancouver teams of ten years ago. Even I had trouble stomaching the Crow/Cloutier/Bertuzzi/Cooke/Ruutu years. At least this current team are mostly good guys off the ice, and 6 playoff series wins > 1 playoff series win.
                                Originally posted by Thrash13
                                Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                                Originally posted by slickdtc
                                DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                                Originally posted by Kipnis22
                                yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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