Rugby Challenge

[Milla]

Re: Rugby Challenge

In this way.

Not at all. As someone who has a definite opinion about each of the two codes, and only takes an interest in one of them, I have absolutely no agenda to lump the two together when representing them to anyone who is remotely well-informed about them.

I am merely stating that for someone with no knowledge or preference they might as well play games representing either code. They can't possibly know which code will suit them better until they are better informed, and since union fans play and enjoy league games and vice versa I don't see that their pleasure in playing games representing either will be markedly reduced if they end up preferring the other.

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

Not at all. As someone who has a definite opinion about each of the two codes, and only takes an interest in one of them, I have absolutely no agenda to lump the two together when representing them to anyone who is remotely well-informed about them.

I am merely stating that for someone with no knowledge or preference they might as well play games representing either code. They can't possibly know which code will suit them better until they are better informed, and since union fans play and enjoy league games and vice versa I don't see that their pleasure in playing games representing either will be markedly reduced if they end up preferring the other.

lol and once again you try to treat the two as substitutes for each other. They are not. You keep claiming that you aren't treating them as substitutes for each other, yet time and time again your posts do just that. The two aren't interchangeable, they are two games representing different sports.

It's not hard, if you want a Rugby game, you buy a Rugby game, if you want a League game, you buy a League game. If you don't know the difference between the two codes (which is an assumption you are making about the poster) then best inform yourself about each of them before spending your money rather than spending your money blindly. If you're going to rely on the games to establish which you prefer, then you'd need to buy both of them wouldn't you, and trust that the two represent their sports well, RC doesn't represent Rugby particularly well anyway.

But sure, if you don't understand the difference between the two codes you could

A) do a little research about the two to get an idea of which you might prefer before spending your money. I'm going to make an assumption myself here that most people who are curious about a Rugby game are probably more interested in Union than they are in League anyway given Union is much more global.

B) just buy either one like Milla suggests, and let's not forget, one is available right now Ignoring the fact that the two games are for different sports, that doesn't really matter right? you don't know anything about them, so you may as well just fling your money around. Hey, why not just buy AFL Live instead? it's also kind of similar, and it got a better reception than RC anyway and hell, you probably don't know much about that code either, but it doesn't really matter, we all have money to throw around on games to explore that. But of course, why would anyone with common sense do that, if you want a Rugby game, you don't buy an Aussie Rules game, because they are different sports, even if the balls are of similar shape.

Hmmm, I wonder which poster has a vested interest in games being sold lol.

[Milla]

Re: Rugby Challenge

lol and once again you try to treat the two as substitutes for each other. They are not.

It's not hard, if you want a Rugby game, you buy a Rugby game, if you want a League game, you buy a League game. If you don't know the difference between the two codes (which is an assumption you are making about the poster) then best inform yourself about each of them before spending your money rather than spending your money blindly.

No, I don't treat them as the same thing. I think you are completely missing the point I am making and ascribing meaning to my posts that is not there and is certainly not intended.

As an analogy for what I am saying, consider someone who has never played an RPG at all, and wants to get into RPGs. It would not matter whether they first tried one or the other types of RPGs, but it would be important that they played the RPG title most likely to keep them interested, i.e. the best one available from either. Right now JRPG X might be the best one out, but in a month or four a new WRPG is coming out, which may well prove better. Despite these two sub-genres being distinct they both fit into the RPG super-genre, and so long as one or the other appeals to the RPG novice enough to capture there interest it doesn't matter which, because they will form their own preference for one or the other, whatever evangelists for one or the other might say.

It is in my professional interests for rugby novices to find union titles, particularly Rugby Challenge, and play them, but as a rugby fan and a gamer I can't in good conscience advise them to go for one code or the other, because I don't know how their preferences might turn out, and neither do they, for that matter. Better to describe all the options to them, and let them find out for themselves, than to complicate things by telling them the two codes are so different, when they have so much in common, and the gamer is clearly not well-versed enough to choose between them yet in any case.

You're placing an awful lot of importance on the differences, which are dwarfed by the similarities, and implying that union fans don't play league games, and league fans don't play union games. If the correspondence and community feedback we have is anything to go by that is clearly untrue.

Now, if you were to include Aussie Rules in this discussion, that would be a totally different matter

[Milla]

Re: Rugby Challenge

You are editing posts while I reply to them. This is rendering this discussion a bit uneven. I'll leave you to it now.

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

No, I don't treat them as the same thing. I think you are completely missing the point I am making and ascribing meaning to my posts that is not there and is certainly not intended.

As an analogy for what I am saying, consider someone who has never played an RPG at all, and wants to get into RPGs. It would not matter whether they first tried one or the other types of RPGs, but it would be important that they played the RPG title most likely to keep them interested, i.e. the best one available from either. Right now JRPG X might be the best one out, but in a month or four a new WRPG is coming out, which may well prove better. Despite these two sub-genres being distinct they both fit into the RPG super-genre, and so long as one or the other appeals to the RPG novice enough to capture there interest it doesn't matter which, because they will form their own preference for one or the other, whatever evangelists for one or the other might say.

It is in my professional interests for rugby novices to find union titles, particularly Rugby Challenge, and play them, but as a rugby fan and a gamer I can't in good conscience advise them to go for one code or the other, because I don't know how their preferences might turn out, and neither do they, for that matter. Better to describe all the options to them, and let them find out for themselves, than to complicate things by telling them the two codes are so different, when they have so much in common, and the gamer is clearly not well-versed enough to choose between them yet in any case.

You're placing an awful lot of importance on the differences, which are dwarfed by the similarities, and implying that union fans don't play league games, and league fans don't play union games. If the correspondence and community feedback we have is anything to go by that is clearly untrue.

Now, if you were to include Aussie Rules in this discussion, that would be a totally different matter

But you are treating them as interchangeable, over and over and over again.

The comparison to RPG's is just ridiculous. It's really quite simple, there's League, there's Union, they are different sports. These don't all come under one all encompassing "Rugby" category as you would like them to. There's Union games, there's League games, just like there's AFL games, Hockey games, Basketball games. You want people to "form their preference for one or the other" what by buying one game? that doesn't work sorry.

The irony is that you say "Better to describe all the options to them, and let them find out for themselves, than to complicate things by telling them the two codes are so different, when they have so much in common, and the gamer is clearly not well-versed enough to choose between them yet in any case." yet I'm the one trying stressing the options to them, as in the options of two different sports, while you push the options of being readily available or not readily available. You'd have someone "find out for themselves" by purchasing one game, or both (again, I wonder who has a vested interest in game sales here), I'd have someone find out a little before they go blindly spending money. Which is why I posted a reply, to help the poster establish what exactly he is looking for, unlike yourself. I wouldn't want to see someone who wants a Union game go and buy Rugby League Live thinking it is the same thing when it isn't. What evidence do we have that the user is "clearly not well-versed enough to choose between them" lol? massive assumption on your part there, in all likelihood he wants a Union game, which is why it is important to point out to him that Rugby League Live isn't one. That isn't "complicating" things lol, that's helping them be aware that they are talking about games of two different sports, you would have people gloss over that fact though because, once again, you want to treat the two as interchangeable.

The differences are important that is why, the sports are different. There's an awful lot of similarities between Union, League, Aussie Rules, American football, I guess we can just lump them all in together as well right? lol. I'm not implying that League fans don't play Union games and Union fans don't play League games at all. Not at one point have I even came close to implying that. What I will outright say, because it is a fact, is that whichever sport you are a fan of (or both, as I am, unlike yourself) they aren't interchangeable as you would have people believe. If you are a fan of both, or just one, you don't play a Union game for a League experience, you don't play a League game for a Union experience.

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

You are editing posts while I reply to them. This is rendering this discussion a bit uneven. I'll leave you to it now.

Oh no, not editing!!!!!!

[Boltman]

Re: Rugby Challenge

Oh no, not editing!!!!!!

You were doing fine, no need to act childish.


For the record, I love union and only play(ed) union games. I do not, nor ever have liked league.

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

If I see someone resorting to something petty like complaining about editing posts then I'll respond in kind.

Conversation would no doubt be best served without you chiming in about people acting childish, makes you no better yourself really :wink:

[Boltman]

Re: Rugby Challenge

Obviously it is your prerogative, so by all means carry on.

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

By all means contribute to the actual topic of the thread

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

In League you get 6 possessions of the ball (or "downs") and then you have to turn the ball over, thus on the 5th possession teams will generally kick it away.

There's no sort ruck/maul like Union has. You get tackled, you get up and play the ball under your foot commence the next possession, unlike Rugby where you get tackled and then everyone smashes into the ruck to try to turn the ball over.

There's no lineouts as you know.

There's scrums but they aren't contested like Rugby scrums, they are just a means to tie up a group of players to free up space. There's no actual hit and driving like a Union scrum has.

There's 13 guys on the field instead of 15 and you have 4 guys on the bench that you can swap in and out. Unlike Union, when you do a substitution that guy can still come back on later. With the 13 players there's more space on the field.

In League the emphasis much more more on the domestic competition NRL and Super League as opposed to Rugby Union where the focus is on the international game. It's a lot more like North American sports in that regard.

The rules on tackling are a lot more lenient, there tackles and hits are much more spectacular than in Rugby, it's really closer to the NFL in terms of the hits.

Tries are worth 4, conversions 2, penalties 2, drop goals 1. Unlike Union where teams settle for penalty shots all the time, in League penalty shots are pretty uncommon.

Generally it's a lot faster than Union with a lot less stoppages. Union has much more emphasis on forward play with the lineouts, rucks, scrums.

You are Hawkeye now on HF?

[MattyEdgeworth]

Re: Rugby Challenge

I'm thinking of getting this game for PC, I love Rugby Challenge but the annoying offloads and other problems have finally just gotten too annoying so I was wondering if there are gameplay mods for the PC version to fix this? Plus I assume there will be new kits mods and the like as well.

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

Looking forward to them hosting this fan event where 20 people get to go play RLL2, then we should start to get an idea of what things are actually like since we don't get to see any gameplay.

Unfortunately I've read that they won't be allowing any cameras at that event so we won't be seeing anything through that, another reason to be suspicious sadly. I'm sure there's an excuse they have for why the footage can't be revealed, still, red flag to me.

[Skuxx24]

Re: Rugby Challenge

Looking forward to them hosting this fan event where 20 people get to go play RLL2, then we should start to get an idea of what things are actually like since we don't get to see any gameplay.

Unfortunately I've read that they won't be allowing any cameras at that event so we won't be seeing anything through that, another reason to be suspicious sadly. I'm sure there's an excuse they have for why the footage can't be revealed, still, red flag to me.

Ill be getting rll2 regardless me and a lot of people had fun running a online comp. Ok im going to be running a comp so was wondering any of you os'ers would have any intrest in joining. Mostly for NZ/Aus people only since it easier to connect online and such

[YoungBuck3]

Re: Rugby Challenge

Word out of that demo evening is that it's not going to be another 10-12 weeks away?

Would definitely be interested in this league of yours if I go ahead and buy it, which, as long as it is at least average, I will be. Try before I buy though for sure.