New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

[Bacardi151]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

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wwharton said:
who cares whether the courses were done or not or any other argument made. are you happy with what you got for $50? i know i am. did you only buy the game knowing that you'd get more than the 7 courses included on the disc? i know i didn't.

they don't expected you to spend $5 on a new course b/c you don't have to spend another dime if you choose not to. the game is worth the $50 as is. they're offering a new course that you can choose to get or choose not to get. that's up to you.

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Actually i remember them saying there would be downloadable content in the form of new courses and clubs, golf balls, etc.

I will plead ignorance and going by how the DLC works with others games through xboxlive, i wasnt expecting to have to pay 5 bucks a course. Again, not a big deal, but i beleive alot of people are in the same boat. And that is what irks me. That i never saw any article that Darryl mentions " oh yess,you will have to pay for some of the content we are providing". Please point me to an article before links was released that mentions this, for i must have missed it.

As for the courses being done or not before the game being released, it was just a jab at the system. I know these guys work hard, as most developers do and go unappreciated. However, whether 1 or 100,000 people pay the money for the course, those guys still got paid for their efforts. Will companies now start cutting back on options and features of future games hoping that you purchase a 50 dollar game, then they can rolling out 'updates' and charge you just a bit more?

I dont know, i am rambling now. There is really no way to argue the value of a Links 2004 golf course other than those that want it vs those that dont. But i still dont like the precedent that this is setting. I would much rather have an expansion pack of another 5 or 6 or 7 courses for 20 bucks along with new clubs, golf balls, skins, etc..

[Gangrel]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

[Gangrel]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

[Gangrel]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

[Bacardi151]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

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Gangrel said:
Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

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I apologize for making it sound like if i feel that links is incomplete. I was kinda playing devils advocate when i mentioned that the courses might have already been created, which they were not. Again though, and i am looking into the future, that this will give developers, publishers, and others a way to bring out an unfinished product. I dont want that to happen. I dont want a developer to take the easy way out, give us some content, then content that was originally planned come out at a later time. Star wars galaxy is just one example of this happening. They promised certain functions in the game, and when they realized they couldnt put it in on time, they decided to sell the extra stuff that should have originally been in the game as an expansion.

One more time. I love links, i dont have a problem with the game, and am enjoying it immensly. However, i dont remember them telling me i had to pay for downloaded content. In any case, it was the expectation of getting content and then realizing you have to pay for it.

Oh lets just stop this, you guys are right, its freakin 5 bucks!!!

bacardi --&gt; &lt;--everyone else

[Bacardi151]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

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Gangrel said:
Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I apologize for making it sound like if i feel that links is incomplete. I was kinda playing devils advocate when i mentioned that the courses might have already been created, which they were not. Again though, and i am looking into the future, that this will give developers, publishers, and others a way to bring out an unfinished product. I dont want that to happen. I dont want a developer to take the easy way out, give us some content, then content that was originally planned come out at a later time. Star wars galaxy is just one example of this happening. They promised certain functions in the game, and when they realized they couldnt put it in on time, they decided to sell the extra stuff that should have originally been in the game as an expansion.

One more time. I love links, i dont have a problem with the game, and am enjoying it immensly. However, i dont remember them telling me i had to pay for downloaded content. In any case, it was the expectation of getting content and then realizing you have to pay for it.

Oh lets just stop this, you guys are right, its freakin 5 bucks!!!

bacardi --&gt; &lt;--everyone else

[Bacardi151]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

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Gangrel said:
Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I apologize for making it sound like if i feel that links is incomplete. I was kinda playing devils advocate when i mentioned that the courses might have already been created, which they were not. Again though, and i am looking into the future, that this will give developers, publishers, and others a way to bring out an unfinished product. I dont want that to happen. I dont want a developer to take the easy way out, give us some content, then content that was originally planned come out at a later time. Star wars galaxy is just one example of this happening. They promised certain functions in the game, and when they realized they couldnt put it in on time, they decided to sell the extra stuff that should have originally been in the game as an expansion.

One more time. I love links, i dont have a problem with the game, and am enjoying it immensly. However, i dont remember them telling me i had to pay for downloaded content. In any case, it was the expectation of getting content and then realizing you have to pay for it.

Oh lets just stop this, you guys are right, its freakin 5 bucks!!!

bacardi --&gt; &lt;--everyone else

[mgoblue]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

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Bacardi151 said:
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Gangrel said:
Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I apologize for making it sound like if i feel that links is incomplete. I was kinda playing devils advocate when i mentioned that the courses might have already been created, which they were not. Again though, and i am looking into the future, that this will give developers, publishers, and others a way to bring out an unfinished product. I dont want that to happen. I dont want a developer to take the easy way out, give us some content, then content that was originally planned come out at a later time. Star wars galaxy is just one example of this happening. They promised certain functions in the game, and when they realized they couldnt put it in on time, they decided to sell the extra stuff that should have originally been in the game as an expansion.

One more time. I love links, i dont have a problem with the game, and am enjoying it immensly. However, i dont remember them telling me i had to pay for downloaded content. In any case, it was the expectation of getting content and then realizing you have to pay for it.

Oh lets just stop this, you guys are right, its freakin 5 bucks!!!

bacardi --&gt; &lt;--everyone else

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you're completely right, Bacardi...we don't want to see game companies holding things back just so they can have some downloads they can charge for. Also, we don't want the console domain to become as 'patch' dependant as the PC world. I hate PC games cause off the bat they're usually buggier than hell.

[mgoblue]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

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Bacardi151 said:
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Gangrel said:
Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I apologize for making it sound like if i feel that links is incomplete. I was kinda playing devils advocate when i mentioned that the courses might have already been created, which they were not. Again though, and i am looking into the future, that this will give developers, publishers, and others a way to bring out an unfinished product. I dont want that to happen. I dont want a developer to take the easy way out, give us some content, then content that was originally planned come out at a later time. Star wars galaxy is just one example of this happening. They promised certain functions in the game, and when they realized they couldnt put it in on time, they decided to sell the extra stuff that should have originally been in the game as an expansion.

One more time. I love links, i dont have a problem with the game, and am enjoying it immensly. However, i dont remember them telling me i had to pay for downloaded content. In any case, it was the expectation of getting content and then realizing you have to pay for it.

Oh lets just stop this, you guys are right, its freakin 5 bucks!!!

bacardi --&gt; &lt;--everyone else

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you're completely right, Bacardi...we don't want to see game companies holding things back just so they can have some downloads they can charge for. Also, we don't want the console domain to become as 'patch' dependant as the PC world. I hate PC games cause off the bat they're usually buggier than hell.

[mgoblue]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

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Bacardi151 said:
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Gangrel said:
Ok, I have to agree with some of the points made eariler.....

You make it sound like Links is an incomplete game, and that you need to purchase this course in order to finish it. But it isn't! Sure, it comes with only what, 8 courses? but you knew that when you bought it originally. It's not like they released the game with no career mode, and now are expecting us to pay for it!

Will other developers abuse this and charge for things that originally should have been in the game? Maybe, but caveat emptor. Read one review that states "gee, the franchise mode is missing in the new Curling sim from MS" and people will stay away in droves.

Bacardi, you seem to make your main point as "Links is incomplete" but it isn't. Should the fact have been advertised that you'd have to pay for the content? Probably...... I have only been on Live a few weeks now, and was messing around with my free copy of Mech Assault that came with the starter kit. They had a lot of free updates, but they also had one or two that cost $4 or 5 for new game modes, etc......

So, the precedent has already been set.....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I apologize for making it sound like if i feel that links is incomplete. I was kinda playing devils advocate when i mentioned that the courses might have already been created, which they were not. Again though, and i am looking into the future, that this will give developers, publishers, and others a way to bring out an unfinished product. I dont want that to happen. I dont want a developer to take the easy way out, give us some content, then content that was originally planned come out at a later time. Star wars galaxy is just one example of this happening. They promised certain functions in the game, and when they realized they couldnt put it in on time, they decided to sell the extra stuff that should have originally been in the game as an expansion.

One more time. I love links, i dont have a problem with the game, and am enjoying it immensly. However, i dont remember them telling me i had to pay for downloaded content. In any case, it was the expectation of getting content and then realizing you have to pay for it.

Oh lets just stop this, you guys are right, its freakin 5 bucks!!!

bacardi --&gt; &lt;--everyone else

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

you're completely right, Bacardi...we don't want to see game companies holding things back just so they can have some downloads they can charge for. Also, we don't want the console domain to become as 'patch' dependant as the PC world. I hate PC games cause off the bat they're usually buggier than hell.

[wwharton]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

I agree as well, however I think it's unfair to even bring that up here. Links is a complete game IMO. If I didn't have XBL, didn't know about the downloads, etc. I'd be extremely satisfied with my purchase. There's nothing missing from the game that will be provided in a download. The game has courses... the download is for an extra course. When the first game that comes out incomplete charges for features that were said to be in the game then everyone here should raise holy hell. But it's unfair to get on MS for what they're doing in this case, even if they want to charge $50. I'd look at the price and say well I just won't be buying that course. That's it, no reason to get upset at all.

[wwharton]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

I agree as well, however I think it's unfair to even bring that up here. Links is a complete game IMO. If I didn't have XBL, didn't know about the downloads, etc. I'd be extremely satisfied with my purchase. There's nothing missing from the game that will be provided in a download. The game has courses... the download is for an extra course. When the first game that comes out incomplete charges for features that were said to be in the game then everyone here should raise holy hell. But it's unfair to get on MS for what they're doing in this case, even if they want to charge $50. I'd look at the price and say well I just won't be buying that course. That's it, no reason to get upset at all.

[wwharton]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

I agree as well, however I think it's unfair to even bring that up here. Links is a complete game IMO. If I didn't have XBL, didn't know about the downloads, etc. I'd be extremely satisfied with my purchase. There's nothing missing from the game that will be provided in a download. The game has courses... the download is for an extra course. When the first game that comes out incomplete charges for features that were said to be in the game then everyone here should raise holy hell. But it's unfair to get on MS for what they're doing in this case, even if they want to charge $50. I'd look at the price and say well I just won't be buying that course. That's it, no reason to get upset at all.

[Danimal]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

I don't care that they are charging, but $5 for 1 course is absurd.

Sure, almost anyone can easily afford $5. But the point is they are testing the waters. Next year if you have to pay $5 for a NFL roster update are you going to be happy?

It's simple, you want to charge then provide comparable content for the price. $5 for 1 course isn't a good deal. 2 courses and you don't hear a peep out of me.

[Danimal]

Re: New downloadable content for Links, with a $5 charge

I don't care that they are charging, but $5 for 1 course is absurd.

Sure, almost anyone can easily afford $5. But the point is they are testing the waters. Next year if you have to pay $5 for a NFL roster update are you going to be happy?

It's simple, you want to charge then provide comparable content for the price. $5 for 1 course isn't a good deal. 2 courses and you don't hear a peep out of me.