Jack's Record Is Safe

[Triggerfish]

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I believe a lot of these long hitters..Rory..Bubba..are going to have back issues. The game rewards the long hitters not so much the precision golfers of yesteryear. These courses are setup that way. It creates more viewers. You will not see another Tiger for along time which really puts Nicklaus so far ahead. And let's not forget back in Nicklaus time they were not counting how many majors you won as compared to now. I think if you had the media and the money behind the amount of majors you won Jack would have probably got more.

[Matt10]

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Honestly, who gives a damn how you feel about someone. You message board jockeys kill me with this stuff.

Well, I don't think that was the part to isolate. It was a well thought out post. I did want to contend on one area though.

Tiger's mental game and attitude of course looked more mature in his 20's than his late 30's - I mean, yeah, he was 10 years younger then, and let's not forget he also had a TEAM of mental pros, including his drill sergeant of a father.

The problem is he's using the same one mental game from his early 20's and trying to apply it to his late 30's; that's not going to work. He's changed too much within his life to match that old mental game. The problem is, Tiger is very much alone. Most superstars are. He is alone with his thoughts, and alone in his success. He detaches himself from the top golf instructors and detaches himself from his playing partners (even if he does look to enjoy their company) and he is trying to fool everyone in thinking he is okay. He's not. Tiger is suffering from something deeper, and the only way he's going to get back to form is 1. back to the old natural swing (being accomplished) 2. Enhancing his mental game - throwing in what worked in the past and seeing if it matches up to the now; and finally 3. Stop lifting and start stretching - DDP Yoga or something, he needs it bad.

Let's remember that Tiger has always had a team that supported him, and through it all, the man that stood alone with him...was his dad. This is a man that just misses his father, and he's at the ultimate low right now. He needs more supporters that aren't out for personal gain - a.k.a. his fans and less critics that can't see the superstar golfer for who he really is, a struggling near middle aged man, that misses his dad, and is re-evaluating his entire life.

People need to stop assuming what's wrong with Tiger, and stop analyzing and psycho-analyzing, all they need to do, is give him their support - be it a tiny "message board jockey" or Jack Nicklaus himself, that's all.

You have nothing to gain by not liking him, but so much to experience positively by possibly bearing witness to one of the most amazing comebacks in not only golf history, but sports history - that alone should be enough to lower anyone's pride. Just sit back, and watch.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Honestly, who gives a damn how you feel about someone. You message board jockeys kill me with this stuff.

Behave or I'm gonna tell your parents to take away your PS4.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I believe a lot of these long hitters..Rory..Bubba..are going to have back issues. The game rewards the long hitters not so much the precision golfers of yesteryear. These courses are setup that way. It creates more viewers. You will not see another Tiger for along time which really puts Nicklaus so far ahead. And let's not forget back in Nicklaus time they were not counting how many majors you won as compared to now. I think if you had the media and the money behind the amount of majors you won Jack would have probably got more.

And lets not forget how many times Jack finished 2nd in major tourneys. It was some insane amount like 10 times. If the ball bounced a different way on a few holes he could have have easily had 20+ majors. Tiger won 14 majors but was never a serious factor in any others and only finished 2nd once when he lost that 2 shot lead to Y.E. Yang in the PGA championship.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Tiger's mental game and attitude of course looked more mature in his 20's than his late 30's - I mean, yeah, he was 10 years younger then, and let's not forget he also had a TEAM of mental pros, including his drill sergeant of a father.

His father died a long time ago and he has won alot of majors since his death. And Tiger has said on several occasions his mother is the one who instilled the competitive toughness and discipline in him and his dad was not nearly as tough. If his mental outlook has suffered due to his messy personal life, that was a result of his own doing.

[Matt10]

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His father died a long time ago and he has won alot of majors since his death. And Tiger has said on several occasions his mother is the one who instilled the competitive toughness and discipline in him and his dad was not nearly as tough. If his mental outlook has suffered due to his messy personal life, that was a result of his own doing.

Well yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's using the same mental defenses that he used when he was in his 20's and trying to apply it to his late 30's. It's basically canceled out now and he needs to go a different route.

Don't you see I'm agreeing with you? Lol.

[habslover10_GoYanks]

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He'll win all 4 majors this year and tie him

[scottmac]

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find him to be a petulant and childish player who is becoming more abrasive as he ages when he should be mellowing.
The mini tantrums he throws after any bad shot is getting tiresome. Almost as tiresome as the excuses people use for his behavoir, saying it's due to his intensity which implies every other player on the tour lacks the same intensity because they don't act like a 3 year old out there.

I couldn't agree more with this. He is really a terrible role model for young golfers. He should take a look at young up and comers like Jordan Speith who compose himself well on the course.

Oh and I think Rory will be a good chance to challenge Jack's record.

[Matt10]

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I couldn't agree more with this. He is really a terrible role model for young golfers. He should take a look at young up and comers like Jordan Speith who compose himself well on the course.

Oh and I think Rory will be a good chance to challenge Jack's record.

Some people handle themselves differently and in different situations. I never understood why people wanted everyone to react the exact same way. Tiger was a big influence to me as a youth, and I'm very level headed on the course.

[tharding16]

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Let me preface this comment by saying that I never watched Jack in his prime. So I do recognize there is obvious bias here.

I just think comparing Tiger's career to Jack's is pretty hard to do. Maybe it isn't apples and oranges but definitely grapefruits and orange; if you catch the analogy. Although they are both playing golf and both playing in majors, it is so much different.

People put such a heavy weight on majors because it is a compilation of all the best golfers in the world. I don't think many people can argue that if we compare Jack's time with Tiger's the level of talent on the tour has definitely changed. Golfers are world class athletes that work out, have swing coaches and ALL have equipment that is top notch. They have an outstanding wealth of knowledge about the game and about the courses.
The field behind (or in front lately) Tiger is a lot deeper and there are a lot more people with a legitimate chance of winning now than there ever has been; including when Tiger was in the young part of his career.

The level of competition at many of the bigger tournaments throughout the year that are not majors is incredibly stiff. Again stating a caveat for bias, I think some nonmajors have as deep or deeper talent pool than the majors of old. More kids are taking up golf and vying for a spot to play professional golf. Globalization of the game and the spread of the game of golf to more people in the middle class has deepened the talent pool.

Also; Jack never dealt with the pressures that the media puts on people. I read earlier that the count hindered Jack's number. I see it the other way. If Jack had the amount of pressure Tiger has had since before he was a professional I think it would have hindered his results. Lets not be naïve here, Tiger is out playing against Jack every time he steps on the course. He also has millions of people throwing the comparison in his face.

I think people are underestimating how far we have come with sports science and medicine over the last 30-40 years. Tiger Woods is still in great shape, he's a world class athlete. I know the injuries have taken a real toll but rehab, working out and diet are not what they used to be. Tiger could still have some very good years left in him.

Lastly, I'll say that I don't know if Tiger is going to break the record, win 1 or 2 more, or never win another. I will say it's a ton of fun to watch him, whether you are rooting for or against him. I think it adds a lot to the sport having him chase Jack's record. Would love to see him at least get close because of how good it would be for the game of golf.

[pietasterp]

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First, let me say Seymour Scagnetti's first post encapsulates my thoughts exactly on Tiger's career, behavior on the course, mental/physical aspects, and general comportment. I feel like I could have written that exact post myself.

Tiger is a brat - always has been, always will be. IMO, the reason he's never come from behind to win a major tournament is because when things aren't going his way, he simply shuts it down. You almost never see him scuffle and fight his way through a bad round or two to keep himself within striking distance. The majority of his playing career has been that he either is grooving it and goes wire-to-wire and laps the entire field, or he's never really in the picture.

Anyone that thinks he's still got a chance in heck of breaking Nicklaus' major record is crazy. Look at the records of over-40 players in the majors. It ain't pretty. Maybe he pulls one last one out of the bag at some point, but now that the younger generation has completely eclipsed the Tiger-Phil era players, it seems increasingly unlikely. Would anyone here want to take Tiger over Rory in any tournament in which both were in the field? Not for anything less than a 100-1, I suspect.

Having said all that, if he never wins another major...who cares? He's still had one of the greatest careers of all time, and he's either the 2nd best or best golfer ever depending on your point of view. That ought to be enough. Even Jack said majors as a "milestone" are overrated. It's Tiger that set that benchmark to beat Jack. I remember circa 2004 everyone thought Tiger breaking that record was inevitable, and I remember saying that nothing is ever inevitable. Injury, age, inexplicable decline - happens to the best of them. Johnny Miller had a 5-year stretch where it looked like he might be the best that ever played the game. Then one day he woke up and couldn't hit water from a boat. Ditto David Duval (who was actually #1 over Tiger when they were both early in their careers).

That Tiger had the sustained excellence he did is remarkable. That Jack did it for almost twice as long is simply unfathomable.

[lhslancers]

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Woods has had an incredible week so far at The Masters. If not for some incredible play by Spieth he would be in there for a shot to win.

[ZoltanZ]

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Woods will win one this year. If I was to guess I would say the British at St. Andrews

[pietasterp]

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Woods will win one this year. If I was to guess I would say the British at St. Andrews

That would be the most surprising Open Championship win since Tom Watson almost did it in '09. BTW, that's still the major I most regret not seeing won by someone...Watson doing it in '09 would have been one of the all-time greatest sports stories - not just golf, but all of sport. So close...

[lhslancers]

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That would be the most surprising Open Championship win since Tom Watson almost did it in '09. BTW, that's still the major I most regret not seeing won by someone...Watson doing it in '09 would have been one of the all-time greatest sports stories - not just golf, but all of sport. So close...

Nearly perfect approach on the 72nd hole runs through the green. Couldn't get up and down from there. Watson is/was one of the purest strikers of the ball of all time.