EA Sports PGA Tour Adds Performance Mode 60 FPS in Latest Update - Patch Notes

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I could be mistaken but I've also noticed a clear difference in timing my swings on performance mode, mainly putts. I've gotten much closer to perfect and more perfects so far than on 30 fps, which I think should make sense.

I can confirm what you're saying to be true here in my game at 60 FPS. I find that I am getting considerably more perfect tempos in all types of swings. I find it equally beneficial in putts and full swings, but I still seem to struggle with blasts and flops. It's definitely an overall improvement though.

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I can say after playing a couple of rounds is that I do feel the difference in frame rate. But now Im having to adjust to it, as I got use to the 30fps.

I guess since its golf and you play at my own pace vs H2H, the lack of 60 FPS didn't bother me. And Im playing on 120fps when applicable (55in LG C1 on a series x).

But I would say this current state of technology, there’s no real excuse not have 60fps (AT THE MINIMUM) as an option from the beginning. Thats blasphemy ��

I'm still scratching my head over why they didn't foresee the demand for 60 FPS right out of the gate? That's becoming more and more a staple in all types of gaming now. How could you not realize how important that would be to probably at least half your potential audience in a golf game that utilizes an analog swing interface that incorporates tempo into its swing mechanic!?

I still say there's a bit of animation speed suppression in play here, and that's why the golfer still feels throttled to me.

Considering your powerful hardware, let me ask you this: do find that when you're trying to take like a 1/2 swing, and you're making a more deliberate backswing, do you find that the animation gets choppy and/or freezes? I'm finding that to be the case even with 60 FPS enabled. It's like there's a minimum threshold for animation speed just as well as a falsely low ceiling for it.

[DabCity]

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I can confirm what you're saying to be true here in my game at 60 FPS. I find that I am getting considerably more perfect tempos in all types of swings. I find it equally beneficial in putts and full swings, but I still seem to struggle with blasts and flops. It's definitely an overall improvement though.

I definitely played worse and had more miss mis-hits in performance mode. I think I had my animations set to fast. I wonder if that has something to do with it feeling better or worse, depending on what you have the animation speed set at.

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I definitely played worse and had more miss mis-hits in performance mode. I think I had my animations set to fast. I wonder if that has something to do with it feeling better or worse, depending on what you have the animation speed set at.

You've raised a good question. I haven't experimented with swing animations. I just selected the one that looked closest to my swing in real life and went with it. I'm going to try these other animation out to see how they are affected.

[golfnut67]

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It's strange how so many people are getting different results, both in playing the game and how minimal or awful the graphics hit is in performance. I'm definitely playing better in performance, more perfects, less left to right, and lower scores. I've done many side by side comparisons between the two modes, hole to hole, and really can't see a big difference in the look.

Even my wife agrees, and she has contacts haha (my eyes are fine and this is a 65 inch TV 8 feet away from us). She couldn't tell any difference at all in the graphics, but noticed the more detailed frames when the ball is in the air and the rollouts.

I'm sticking with performance mode.

[scagwi]

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You've raised a good question. I haven't experimented with swing animations. I just selected the one that looked closest to my swing in real life and went with it. I'm going to try these other animation out to see how they are affected.

Did the update improve things enough for you to supplant 2K as your go to golf game?

[golfnut67]

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Did the update improve things enough for you to supplant 2K as your go to golf game?

I've only played 2k briefly once about a week after the EA game came out, just to compare the swing speeds. I've not gone back to 2k since. This is my golf game. Not perfect, but once they add turn play and choosing rounds, it's the best golf game ever. I wish it had course creator and thousands of courses, but that's not as important to me. There are enough courses here and more coming.

I'll be playing this game daily for a long time. I've played almost every day since it came out. This patch gave me a bit of enhancement I wasn't expecting or even asking for, and it fixed the scoreboard bug. Hopefully the one next month adds the other 2 features, which are really what I've been waiting for.

[scagwi]

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I've only played 2k briefly once about a week after the EA game came out, just to compare the swing speeds. I've not gone back to 2k since. This is my golf game. Not perfect, but once they add turn play and choosing rounds, it's the best golf game ever. I wish it had course creator and thousands of courses, but that's not as important to me. There are enough courses here and more coming.

I'll be playing this game daily for a long time. I've played almost every day since it came out. This patch gave me a bit of enhancement I wasn't expecting or even asking for, and it fixed the scoreboard bug. Hopefully the one next month adds the other 2 features, which are really what I've been waiting for.

Nice!

I was specifically asking about JC, as he’s been on the fence a bit and waiting on this Performance update.

Glad to hear you’re loving it.
I’d personally quibble on “best golf game ever”, but that’s a different topic.

Best “looking” … no question.

Opinions understandably vary on what gameplay experience and mechanics make for the “best” golf game

[DabCity]

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I'm still scratching my head over why they didn't foresee the demand for 60 FPS right out of the gate? That's becoming more and more a staple in all types of gaming now. How could you not realize how important that would be to probably at least half your potential audience in a golf game that utilizes an analog swing interface that incorporates tempo into its swing mechanic!?.

Because the game clearly didn’t need it, as the benefits seem to be minimal and effects on fidelity inconsistent. The only need, as you imply here, was to placate a bunch of gamers looking for anything to complain about.

The problem is, if it launched with 60fps, it would just be something else. Of all the games in all the genres, golf needs 60fps the least, in particular since the swing mechanic is not 1:1.

Who knows, maybe it would just be something like a follow cam for someone to obsess over? You just never know what extremely online gamers might get distracted by.

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Did the update improve things enough for you to supplant 2K as your go to golf game?

No, it's still not really close. It took EA Sports PGA Tour out of my inactive bin back to maybe two or three plays a week. The swing just feels like it's still overregulated to me... almost like it's on rails for lack of a better characterization.

[DaveMN]

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I'm enjoying Performance Mode more on the PS5. My attention is more on the gameplay during the rounds rather than staring at the scenery, and even then I find the graphic detail differences modest at best. Having said that, there's no excuse for a modern game not to have smooth play at 4K 60fps across the board. Other titles have figured this out. I'm guessing the devs probably started with the old Rory code instead of building this properly from the ground up with the latest tools available.

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Because the game clearly didn’t need it, as the benefits seem to be minimal and effects on fidelity inconsistent. The only need, as you imply here, was to placate a bunch of gamers looking for anything to complain about.

The problem is, if it launched with 60fps, it would just be something else. Of all the games in all the genres, golf needs 60fps the least, in particular since the swing mechanic is not 1:1.

Who knows, maybe it would just be something like a follow cam for someone to obsess over? You just never know what extremely online gamers might get distracted by.

Jeez man

This whole post has such a negative overtone to it.

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Because the game clearly didn’t need it, as the benefits seem to be minimal and effects on fidelity inconsistent.

Didn't need it? An analog swing mechanic that feels like winding a clock didn't need help? It's benefits are minimal because EA Sports didn't relax the swing speed animation suppression to go along with the 60 FPS. I'm not sure what you mean by "effects on fidelity inconsistent" Fidelity on what? Swing animation or graphics quality? I'm honestly not sure what you mean here?

The only need, as you imply here, was to placate a bunch of gamers looking for anything to complain about.

Where did I imply that the only need was to "placate a bunch of gamers looking for anything to complain about"? I need to go back and work on my English composition if that's how I came across!?

The problem is, if it launched with 60fps, it would just be something else.

There are other things to complain about aside from the lack of 60 FPS at launch, but I will admit it was the most glaringly missing component. I would have still complained about it because the way they implemented 60 FPS, with an overly suppressed swing animation that it drives. It's like the game is trying artificially help keep me from going too fast with my swing.

Of all the games in all the genres, golf needs 60fps the least

Here's where you and I are on polar opposite extremes. How can you say that golf needs 60 FPS the least of all the genres, when the majority who play the game are using an analog stick from which to control the swing, where the tempo at which you move that stick has a bearing on the outcome of the shot. The more times per second you get visual feedback of how that swing motion is progressing, the better your senses are able to process and react to that feedback. I'd love to have 120 FPS if I could get it, but again, if EA Sports is going to put a an artificially low speed limit on the swing animation, it's not going to matter much how many times a second that suppressed animation is being refreshed.

in particular since the swing mechanic is not 1:1.

Well, you've highlighted one point we agree on. But I'd dare say we wouldn't agree on whether we want it to be 1:1.

Who knows, maybe it would just be something like a follow cam for someone to obsess over? You just never know what extremely online gamers might get distracted by.

I'm not a fan of follow cam, but sadly, that's the only camera that works mostly like it's supposed to in this game, so I'm forced to use it. I like having a reverse angle view of the ball reaching its destination about 75% of the ball's flight duration. The Pro camera doesn't come close to doing that in this game. And the broadcast camera still feels broken to me.

What do you mean by "you never know what extremely online golfers might get distracted by?" This game doesn't offer much in the way of online golf, so I don't play much online golf with it. It's multiplayer leaves so much to be desired that it's rare that you can find someone who wants to play it with you? It feels incomplete. I don't think that's what your talking about though as this whole statement came off to me as a bit of a non-sequitur?

[golfnut67]

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Nice!

I was specifically asking about JC, as he’s been on the fence a bit and waiting on this Performance update.

Glad to hear you’re loving it.
I’d personally quibble on “best golf game ever”, but that’s a different topic.

Best “looking” … no question.

Opinions understandably vary on what gameplay experience and mechanics make for the “best” golf game

Ya, you're right...let me rephrase that by saying "my favorite golf game of all time" lol. The one thing that's going to continue to bother me is the slow swing. I often play while watching real golf and there are very few golfers that swing as slowly as the EA game does with every golfer. It's not so much the downswing, it's the slight delay before the club lifts off the ground, and especially how slow the backswing is.

If they could speed that up, or even give us options to speed up the animation speed or slow it down, along with turn play and choosing rounds, I still contend it would be the best looking, best playing golf game ever made. That said, the entire game is the relationship between the controller and the golfer, so unless they add options or just speed it up, I can definitely see why people prefer 2k or other games, just based on that alone. It's the essence of playing a golf game, and it's the biggest thing EA doesn't have right yet.

Unlikely the swing speed will ever change obviously.

[CujoMatty]

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Ya, you're right...let me rephrase that by saying "my favorite golf game of all time" lol. The one thing that's going to continue to bother me is the slow swing. I often play while watching real golf and there are very few golfers that swing as slowly as the EA game does with every golfer. It's not so much the downswing, it's the slight delay before the club lifts off the ground, and especially how slow the backswing is.

If they could speed that up, or even give us options to speed up the animation speed or slow it down, along with turn play and choosing rounds, I still contend it would be the best looking, best playing golf game ever made. That said, the entire game is the relationship between the controller and the golfer, so unless they add options or just speed it up, I can definitely see why people prefer 2k or other games, just based on that alone. It's the essence of playing a golf game, and it's the biggest thing EA doesn't have right yet.

Unlikely the swing speed will ever change obviously.

It's the best golf game I've ever played. Hands down.

Is it the best in every regard? No.

Where it excels is where it matters to me. The different shot types is something that changed golf games forever for me.

Also I have never played a golf game where courses truly played different. I've won 5 tournaments in my career but I can't make the cut at the masters. Last try I was +10 by the end of day 2. I have to play smart and think how I'm going to attack a hole. I've never played a golf game where risk reward was so pronounced.

Not to mention it's pretty lol

That's enough to make it the best golf game I've ever played.

Now if they could work out some optimization on PC this would be in my top 5 best sports games of all time.