FORZA 2 Tuning

[msufanatic]

Hey guys, just thought we should put a thread up for tuning purposes only. Right now I got a bit of a problem. I've been trying to tune my Corvette Ligenfelter to use in the Corvette only races, but I have two big problems.

1. The biggest problem is the car over-revs like no other cause the back wheels to spin out of control. Basically, I can't get on the throttle hard at all since the wheels just start to spin. I'm contemplating monkeying around with the gear ratios or maybe the differentials. Not really sure.

2. The next thing is keeping the car on the track. The car grips decently, but some of the sweeper turns it just bites it for no apparent reason. I've tried monkeying around a little bit with the springs.. I lowered the weight in the back in hopes it'd roll better. Any other ideas would be appreciated.

[Hooe]

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Hey guys, just thought we should put a thread up for tuning purposes only. Right now I got a bit of a problem. I've been trying to tune my Corvette Ligenfelter to use in the Corvette only races, but I have two big problems.

1. The biggest problem is the car over-revs like no other cause the back wheels to spin out of control. Basically, I can't get on the throttle hard at all since the wheels just start to spin. I'm contemplating monkeying around with the gear ratios or maybe the differentials. Not really sure.

2. The next thing is keeping the car on the track. The car grips decently, but some of the sweeper turns it just bites it for no apparent reason. I've tried monkeying around a little bit with the springs.. I lowered the weight in the back in hopes it'd roll better. Any other ideas would be appreciated.

I'm not a tuner, but this sounds like your driving could use some fine-tuning. Be more gradual on your throttle and brake inputs, both starting and coming in and out of turns, and coming out of the gates.

With regard to car tuning, I'm no expert by any means, but for better handling: maybe install a rear wing and get more downforce on the car? Maybe fiddle with the suspension too (make it a little lower) and the tires (you're on your own here) to get better handling.

[msufanatic]

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I'm not a tuner, but this sounds like your driving could use some fine-tuning. Be more gradual on your throttle and brake inputs, both starting and coming in and out of turns, and coming out of the gates.

With regard to car tuning, I'm no expert by any means, but for better handling: maybe install a rear wing and get more downforce on the car? Maybe fiddle with the suspension too (make it a little lower) and the tires (you're on your own here) to get better handling.

Ya I have been really gradual on the throttle, but even on a straight away I can't even get it to the floor.

[madscientist]

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Have you tried lengthening the gear, or using a manual transmission?

[msufanatic]

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Have you tried lengthening the gear, or using a manual transmission?

I think moving around the gear ratios was one of my next attempts to fix the power issues. It just accelerates too quick hah =P.

[blacklover]

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Yeah the handling is a bit wonky.

I have the Renault Clio and it has 4.1 in handling.

4.1 isn't so good, but still, come on, I can't take a corner at more than 35 mph without sliding...ummmm...

I drive an SUV and I can take similar styled corners, as those that are troubling me in the game, at 45-50 with no worries what so ever so whatever insane amount of research Turn 10 put in regarding physics, they really blew mid engine handling.

I had a 914 about 10 years ago and it was stock everything and I would hammer that around windy roads and never thought twice about slipping or sliding at all and I was certainly going faster than 35 mph.

The only way I can keep the Clio from fish tailing is to pepper the gas constantly.

Also, all of the upgrades that would seem to cure the handling issues, they never change the 4.1, they just make things adjustable (springs shocks roll bars etc). I bought the springs and dampers and I would like to at least see a projected handling number I could get if I dialed it in for a track.

I feel like I am missing something in the upgrades but everything just seems to make the car faster without curing the horrible sliding at low speeds. Driving a mid engine in the game makes it feel like you are racing on ice.

[Hooe]

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I feel like I am missing something in the upgrades but everything just seems to make the car faster without curing the horrible sliding at low speeds. Driving a mid engine in the game makes it feel like you are racing on ice.

Have you done the weight reduction upgrade? That's one thing that I know for sure will up the handling rating, and you will notice a difference in how the car drives. Generally making any car lighter will improve its handling, acceleration, and deceleration. Also try upgrading the tires.

I do feel your pain on mid-engine cars though; I can't drive them to save my life either.

While I'm here, I could use some tuning help. I've got a Mazda Roadster that's upgraded quite a bit (a little under 300hp, and it weighs less than 2000 lbs). I can't really take any corner without losing grip in the rear tires, regardless of how I control the throttle (with TCS on I can drift around corners though; a rather unexpected consequence). Even slight bends in the road give it trouble at higher speeds. I've stiffened up the front stabilizer and that's helped some, but what else can I do to improve the car's handling?

[msufanatic]

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Have you done the weight reduction upgrade? That's one thing that I know for sure will up the handling rating, and you will notice a difference in how the car drives. Generally making any car lighter will improve its handling, acceleration, and deceleration. Also try upgrading the tires.

I do feel your pain on mid-engine cars though; I can't drive them to save my life either.

While I'm here, I could use some tuning help. I've got a Mazda Roadster that's upgraded quite a bit (a little under 300hp, and it weighs less than 2000 lbs). I can't really take any corner without losing grip in the rear tires, regardless of how I control the throttle (with TCS on I can drift around corners though; a rather unexpected consequence). Even slight bends in the road give it trouble at higher speeds. I've stiffened up the front stabilizer and that's helped some, but what else can I do to improve the car's handling?

Put an Aero wing on the back.. Lower your car's height.. Really go soft on the rear springs and stiff on the front. Since the car is so light you really need to have a big difference in springs to make it be felt. Let me know if that helps.

[muggins]

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If you're having trouble cornering:

Upgrade your tires
Upgrade your handling mods
Put on a wing
Put on body kits if possible

Lower the car, soften the tires, put a lot of downforce via the aero

Learn to feather the gas and brakes

[blacklover]

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Yeah you are spot on, feathering the gas and brake is the trick with mid engines for sure.

If you just keep tapping brake and gas brake and gas through a turn you get good results. I like to think of it more as "peppering" then feathering, LOL.

In mid engine races I tend to try to roar out to the lead and then play blocker through all the turns I have to take cautiously at 30 mph.

Krinnig, I will try the weight reduction. It's funny you have to "pay" for taking out the spare tire and tool kit.


The thing that betrays is the fact that I can take one turn at 60 and the car will hold that fine line, but then I can't take a very very similar turn at 35 somewhere else on the track. That just seems way too varied for it to be correct.

If there was oil or sand on the track in those turns it would make sense. Some of the turns where the back end swings out even seem to be banked ever so slightly to assist the car which makes it even more puzzling. Basically a benign looking corner will spin your mid engine car mercilessly.

[muggins]

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I'm mostly speaking about RWD cars being tuned, but going easy on the car applies to most any car in Forza

[fishepa]

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Weight reduction is one of the best things you can do for handling.

[TCrouch]

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I made a post explaining some of this over at DSP, but basically you can't treat your pedals like a digital on/off switch. Tuning will get you so far, but it won't cure the "problem" of some 700hp monster breaking the back wheels free when you drop the hammer. My wife was laughing last night because I had a U999 Porsche 959 that I barely ever could plant the pedal on the floor with. Even if you're exiting a corner, and hit a straight...you can't just drop the hammer. If the torque is absurdly high, which it will be with a highly upgraded car, you won't really be able to plant your foot until you've shifted a couple of times and you're probably in 4th gear or so.

There's no "magic tune up". If you exceed the capability of a tire to do anything...acceleration grip, cornering, braking...it will break traction. If you're using any of the tire for cornering (even exiting a corner) and then try and use 100% of the grip for acceleration, it will break loose. If you are using 100% of the tire's grip for braking and then try to corner, it will break loose. In the case of a long sweeper, the habit is to really put it at peak performance (close to 100% cornering) and then try and apply some throttle as the car slowly loses momentum. If you're near 100% of the tire's maximum grip due to G-forces through the corner and then even breathe on the gas, you have one of those snaps where the tire crosses that 100% plateau and then comes back down...causing a momentary loss of control and then sudden grip again in whatever direction the car is facing.

Again, you won't find any magic tune up options outside of messing with the differential, but almost any car is driveable; you just have to adapt to it, as hard as it is with some cars. That's the downside of upgrading a commuter into a Ferrari killer.

[blacklover]

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Ok yeah I am down with that.

My issue just comes with the speeds at which the car breaks loose.

35 MPH around a lazy curve and it breaks loose? You should be able to gas it right through the turn using the torque to hold the car down, but even without the torque you should be able to hold the line going 35 mph.

I'll note the track and the corners that are causing the issue tonight so that others could test it out on thier own if they care to.

Perhaps it's just the Renault Clio. I have driven all sorts of different cars in this game so far and it's really only the mid-engines that have me baffled as to why they break loose on simple turns. I've owned two mid engines cars in my lifetime so far and I think I would be dead now if they broke loose going 35 mph around a turn.

Like I wrote before, I can take a similar corner in real life at 40 mph with my stock 97 SUV and losing traction never even enters my mind. Ha ha, I even did it when I ran out to get lunch earlier just to see.

Sidenote: I also saw about 11 cars on my drive that I thought hmmm, I should try one of those out in Forza2 tonight.

[blacklover]

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Oh yeah one other thing. you can do weight reduction but can you do weight addition?

I'd like to put about 100 pounds right in the back of the rear trunk.